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HFMudd · « **Reply #45 on:** April 03, 2003, 01:06:30 PM »

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P40E is around 276 on the deck and the A6m2 is around 275 on the deck

The HTC charts show
- the A6M2 at about 270@0K and about 283@5K
- the P40E at about 280@0K and about 300@5K w/o WEP
- the P40E at about 300@0K and about 320@5K w WEP

Are the HTC charts that far off or did you mean P40B?

Slash27 · « **Reply #46 on:** April 03, 2003, 01:13:55 PM »

Maybe some blue plane pilots oughta get together and ask HT to get a some more japanese planes modelled.

We have. Maybe you should try to keep current.

Batz · « **Reply #47 on:** April 03, 2003, 01:20:22 PM »

I am current and outside a few token posts theres very few.

If you dont like this set up dont fly it. No one wants to here you whine over it.

Slash27 · « **Reply #48 on:** April 03, 2003, 01:26:34 PM »

When you pay my $14.95 a month, then you can have some input on what I "whine" about.

Soulyss · « **Reply #49 on:** April 03, 2003, 03:13:39 PM »

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since most of the planes facing the Wildcats in the slot were A6M3's

I'm sorry Brady but this just isn't true.

Got the following from
"Guadalcanal: The Definitive Account for the Landmark Battle"
by Richard B. Frank

"AT Rabual on this morning sat 32 Bettys, twenty four long range A6M2 Model 21 Zeroes, fifteen shorter-range A6M3 Model 32 Zeroes"

"The A6M2 Model 21 needed every inch of this range to rach the 565 miles from Rabaul to Guadalcanal and return. The Japanese retained the Model 32 Zeros for the defense of Rabaul because their slightly more powerful engines weighed more, consumed more fuel and displaced some fuel capacity, thereby reducing their range about 25 percent, and thus below the minimum requirement for sorties to the lower Solomons."

Batz · « **Reply #50 on:** April 03, 2003, 03:40:49 PM »

I will tell you whatever I want, whiner.

brady · « **Reply #51 on:** April 03, 2003, 05:04:58 PM »

"AT Rabual on this morning sat 32 Bettys, twenty four long range A6M2 Model 21 Zeroes, fifteen shorter-range A6M3 Model 32 Zeroes"

It realy depends on the time frame, the exact dates your looking at and the source's your quoting.

"The A6M2 Model 21 needed every inch of this range to rach the 565 miles from Rabaul to Guadalcanal and return. The Japanese retained the Model 32 Zeros for the defense of Rabaul because their slightly more powerful engines weighed more, consumed more fuel and displaced some fuel capacity, thereby reducing their range about 25 percent, and thus below the minimum requirement for sorties to the lower Solomons."

Most A6M3's were based at Buin and on several ocashions or 60 were were based their and did operate frequently over henderson.

Okugi · « **Reply #52 on:** April 03, 2003, 05:09:38 PM »

All I know is that in the A6m5 or tony I would have no problem or complaint taking on hellcats and hogs. Hell, I remember a fight a long time ago against a 38 and a jug... I somehow managed to land the 2 kills. I feel confident in the A6m5. However, the A6m2 is another story entirely. It's a flying coffin for me up against the wildcats and 40's. One-on-one I've had a few kills in it, only because the other guy messed up. The A6m2's weak guns and one ping deaths against the armor on the wildcat, combined with the wildcats good guns (and range- another big factor) and the fact they rarely fly alone... well, guess I'll just have to bite the bullet and get ready to die a whole lot next week. I have no confidence in the A6m2 against any plane... I would even hate to take on the Goodyear blimp with this POS, lol.

Yeah, I know... learn it and fly it to it's strengths... well, you mind telling me just what strengths it has?? Other than cutting pretty little circles in the air just before it becomes a flaming wreck?
I know some of you seem to do well with it... what's the big secret I missed out on?
Oh... and what in the deepest darkest hell was the reasoning behind intentionally screwing the cannons on it? As if the guns weren't weak enough already...

brady · « **Reply #53 on:** April 03, 2003, 05:17:20 PM »

The following are Pasages from Japanese Naval Aces and Fihter Units in World War II

p.43

" on the 24th , the Shokaku particapated in the Sceond battle of the Solomons ( The battle of the Eastern Solomons)." after this battle in which only one Zero was lost she dispatched " Fifteen Zero Fighters to Buka Base from 28th of Augast through 4th of september, they were used in the daily atack on Guadalcanal."

They were operating A6M3's.

At this same thie p49:

Planes from the Zuikaku(A6M3's)

"From 28th of Augast through 4 September 30 carier fighters of the 1st Carier Divishion proceaded to Buka Island. The Unit particapated in a Number of attacks on Guadalcanal; Fifteen Aircraft under the comand of LT Hidaka also Participated."

So with group from the Shokaku, that brings the total to 60 A6M3's operating out of Buka at this time.

Later:

p.50

" the squadron (Zuikaku Fighter Squadron) then In January Moved to Buin"

P. 150

"Lt. Kofukuda, led eighteen aircraft, guided by two land atack planes and advanced to Rabaul on 1 Augast; all jis aircraft arrived safely....In early september, the advanced detachament of the 6th air group sortied in atacks aganst Rabi, Port Morsby, and Guadalcanal. With the compleation of the airfield at Buin the detchament moved in and provided direct civer for the 6th Cruser Divishion Warships....the main force of the 6th Air Groupe consisting of 27 Aircraft arived at Rabaul on 7th october, soon after the entire group moved to Buin."

The 6th air group was reorganised and renamed the 204th airgroup in October.

p.151

"Air group 204 contunied to use Buin as it's Base; duties were atacking Guadalcanal, providing air cover for Guadalcanal reinforcement convoys, air defense in the Buin area....Fighter untis that were active in the -same area were the 252,253,582nd, at one point even the fighter Squadron aboard the Hiyo particapated in the Guadalcanal operation, in many cases these fighter units would particapate in large scal actions operating in unison"
Air Grope 252:

p.114

"by 9th of Novemebr they had advanced to rabaul. Over the perioud of almost 5 months untill Febuary or March 43, it particapated in the fierce aerial battles going on in the south east at this time. The Baptism of fire was during an atack on Guadalcanal on the 11th, with the coordination of Air group 253 and Air group 582...next day on the 12 they escorted torpedo bombers to guadalcanal"

These were A6M2's operating out of Rabaul.

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brady · « **Reply #54 on:** April 03, 2003, 05:18:44 PM »

p.122

I a pasage regarding the 3rd Air group:

"Since confidence was gained that it was posable to fly 1,200 miles and conduct a 20min air battle" Refering to A6M2's

p.136:

The Tainan Air group, escorted our land atack planes flying 560 miles each waythe unit was still able to engage in air combat US Navy F4F's, our losses were two aircraft, with forty-three enemy aircraft shot down(including 7 probables).

The above group operating A6M2's

brady · « **Reply #55 on:** April 03, 2003, 05:26:46 PM »

If you look at the units operating in this area, the solomons during late 42, early 43 Most were equiped with the A6M3, and they operated out of Rabaul, but most operated out of Buka,Buin, the later (well one of them I get them mixed up:) ) was almost half as close as To Henderson as Rabaul.

The Book I sight above for most of the Quotes list's all the fighter Units in the Entire Japanese navy, whear and what they had during the war.

Slash27 · « **Reply #56 on:** April 03, 2003, 05:35:35 PM »

I will tell you whatever I want, whiner.

Ok, I think I'll back off. You sound like one tough customer on the BBS. Sorry if I have upset you. Please forgive me. Thank you for your contibutions.

Batz · « **Reply #57 on:** April 03, 2003, 06:16:14 PM »

Dont talk crap if ya dont wanna hear back it back. Please dont let me interupt your whine.

Soulyss there certainly were plenty of a6m3s in the Solomons during that time.

What makes an a6m3 a better plane in regards to ah is type 99 mk 2s. The mk1 much like the mgff on the 109e seem under powered when you read the anecdotal but numerous pilot accounts. That could be for many reasons.

Then we go into the toughness of the f4f, Sakai didnt like the 20mm and says he got most of his kills with 7mm. I think the a6m2 is fun plane to fly it just has real crappy guns.

This map is great map and lotsa fun but for some folks who fly ijn planes the guns are a real show stopper.

Soulyss · « **Reply #58 on:** April 03, 2003, 07:02:37 PM »

Yeah they had the A6M3 at Buin starting in what looks like the second/third week of Oct. Dunno what strength they numbered in I found one reference around this time to 30 Zeros and another reference to a later date in the campaign stated that 14 Zeros were deployed there. Still I would consider the A6M2 Model 21 Zero the primary antagonist of the F4F-4 during the campaign.

Slash27 · « **Reply #59 on:** April 03, 2003, 07:23:49 PM »

Dont talk crap if ya dont wanna hear back it back. Please dont let me interupt your whine.

you're so mean:(