Med Leauge.. I'm out

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Sunchaser:

Ram, what bombers were over 35,000 feet?

Just when I was leaving the arena someone was reporting bombers at 35K.

Can't say more, as all I saw were suborbital P38s and Spitfires, sorry. But I readed it.

AS for the rest of your post, well is your problem. I dont mind what you may think of me. In fact I mind quite little about what can anybody think about me.  

And no, I dont like the rules. And yes, as I said I wont fly more scenarios with no reasonable Hard Ceiling   so you are being redundant in your post  

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[SC-GreyBeard]

Couple comments here.

1st.  
I do not believe the 346th, (the b-17's) ever got to 30k. Our supposed alt was at 28k. (and quite frankly since I wasn't a "lead" plane I never looked at alt. was busy enough just trying to stay in my position, and keep separation and speed together, to somewhat closely match that of my flight leader. Can't say we didn't go higher than 30k, but I don't think we did.

2nd.
Since this is a supposedly quasi-real "life like scenario", (yes, I'm using the term very loosely.) I understand the need to replace plane types, etc. The germans had the alt problems with some aircraft in the med. and to call for HC caps would just kill it as a scenario. (I can just see Montgomery or Rommel getting a telegram from the other commander re: Hard Ceilings, and can imagine what the response would have been).

3rd.
Neutral Country snafu's
Hmm something needs to be handled here.. perhaps they need to be made destroyed or unusable, rather than just be Bishop. In RL even, the neutrals did NOT fire at overflights by EITHER hostile faction. They'd squeak about it, because it did happen, but they wouldn't fire upon the offenders.

4th.
Use of newly capture'd fields for anything other than landing and quiting for the DAY should NOT be allowed. To simulate the time neccessary to repair facilities, and get supplies air transported in. In fact, perhaps require a certain number of c-47's to land safely there, (like perhaps 10-15) to reflect this before it can be used for offensive capabilities. Otherwise it's not a scenario, just another day in the MA. (let anyone that lands there up a goon for it maybe from nearest accessible (for them) base.

5th.
HangTime, don't give up Bro,, we need ya...
It can only get BETTER.


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GreyBeard, Squadron Leader
Commander, "E" Flight, Aces High
Senior Staff Council
"The Skeleton Crew"
"Fly with Honor"[/i]
"Keepin' the Faith"


PLEASE!!  before anyone castigates me re: the quasi-RL scenario comment, take it as how it's meant,, not as it's written.. Please.

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[Nash]

Sorry to hear about this Hang. I hope you reconsider.

If your not getting cooperation from your staff and flight leaders, fire 'em stat and hand pick your own. I know I would.

As to the med arena madness, I just accept the fact that these events are young and there will be growing pains... Consider it the fog of war, or something.

I also give a hearty salute to Zig, as I know he's been workin' his arse off and doing the best he can.

For me personally, all of these have been an absolute blast.

As to the alt cap suggestion - no way.

Again Hang - I hope ya reconsider, but completely understand your frustration... so it sounds like you made the best decision for yourself. Thanks for the effort you put in thus far - the planning and coordination have been outstanding under the circumstances.

<S>

[SC-GreyBeard]

I'll second what Nash said.. hear hear.
Hearty thanks to Zig, Hang, Busch and whoever else is involved.

SALUTE!!!!!!!!!!


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Commander, "E" Flight, Aces High
Senior Staff Council
"The Skeleton Crew"
"Fly with Honor"[/i]
"Keepin' the Faith"

[Wilfrid]

Chaps,

I think we probably need the CO (Hangtime) to plan the missions - like he`s been doing, by email. Then, when the frame starts, thats it - the Squadron CO`s have their orders. Don`t hassle Hangtime with questions on Chan 2, `cos he`s done his job and wants to fly like everyone else. Its down to the CMs to announce the frame is open, closed etc.

BTW, wtg Zigrat and Busc tonight - smoothest frame yet - we`re ALMOST there!

Wilfrid

XO 346th BG

[LLv34_Camouflage]

Hangtime, I'm sorry to hear you are disappointed. I was present in the arena when it was set up and I thought it was set up correctly.  Only after take off did I notice that this was not the case.  

I apologize on behalf of the league organizers and assure that we will continue to work towards getting all things working.  I can't say the league has been run perfectly, but I think we're making progress. "Each one better than the last".

Hangtime, I hope you reconsider, you're a valuable asset to the league and especially the allies.  How on earth could they win without you?  

<S!>

Axis CO - Camo


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"The really good pilots use their superior judgement to keep them out of situations
where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."

[kbman]

To Nash and SCGB,
                 I concur whole heartedly. These things are tremendously difficult to organize and require a level of input from CMs and COs that far exceeds what can be expected from most people who are just trying to find some fun playing a game they love.

To RAM,
       Good riddance with no regrets. Your lack of participation will have no effect whatsoever except to give the rest of us an opportunity to enjoy the challenge of flying in these events and expanding the scope of this sim without having to listen to you squeak about it. You seem absolutely incapable of mature behavior or maintaining any semblance of objectivity. Your willful coopting of this post of Hangtime's expressing his regrets and feelings about today's events to your own agenda is atrocious and inexcusable. Sorry for my tone but I couldn't stand to see this happen without expressing my outrage...I'm done.

<S> and thanks to all participants and the organizers, it is a huge challenge and well beyond my own abililty both in time and talent. Please reconsider Hang...although I completely understand your reasons for making the choice you have.

kbman

[Westy]

 I can understand Hangtimes frustration. Let him be.

 As for ALT caps? Just alt CAP the bombers. If bombers are, say, capped at 15K. Well? Then the freeking astronauts at 30K are not going to see them right? The bomber escort will be lower by virtue of having to protect the bombers but they can be poitioned 2K above, 1k below or even 10K higher than thier charges...whatever.
 In online sims/games altitude has always been the cheapest advantage for any fighter.  
 Bring the bombers lower, you bring the fight down lower.

 -Westy

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by kbman:
Good riddance with no regrets. Your lack of participation will have no effect whatsoever except to give the rest of us an opportunity to enjoy the challenge of flying in these events and expanding the scope of this sim without having to listen to you squeak about it. You seem absolutely incapable of mature behavior or maintaining any semblance of objectivity. Your willful coopting of this post of Hangtime's expressing his regrets and feelings about today's events to your own agenda is atrocious and inexcusable. Sorry for my tone but I couldn't stand to see this happen without expressing my outrage...I'm done.

Seems noone can accept critics?. You allways need to hear "its great" or feel bad? Has EVERYONE to think that it is ok if you think that it is?

Hang posted about what he felt and the problems he had. I posted what I felt and the problems I had. And I said that I thought that the ballance was wrong because the alt thing. And Isaid that I would chose better the scenarios I fly. Is that so unnaceptable?. Is it whining?

You know what? that if there are no critics in this life all will go as goes, well or bad ,right or wrong but with no changes. No evolution. Critics are always needed for improvement. You seem not to understand it.

In this community to disagree is equal to whine for 90% of the people. You know what?. You can go to h3ll with your whining and/or squeaking theories. I thought the scenario was lacking balance and said it. You can agree or disagree but it is my point of view and I exposed it in a neutral and fair way.

 You seem to dislike someone disagreing with you. Its sad, because I won't applaude if everyone says "applaude", unless I think it is worth applauding. And If I dont like something I will ****ALLWAYS**** say it. Some times in a more harsh way (F4U comments), some others in a neutral and constructive way (read my first post if you think that it wasnt intended to be a constructive comment)

I didnt like some of the things of today's scenario. I did like others. I remarked both. You took only the negative thing while I remarked both good and bad things I had seen. Typical of prejudging guys to see only the bad critics.

So learn to read things like they are. Critics are good if put in a constructive way. I did put it in a fair way, still you have to mess with me.

Get lost and forget about me. Ok?.

Thanks



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[RAM]

And BTW If I posted that in this thread was to NOT open yet other thread about this. I thought that as there was already one thread open on the subject there was no need to open another.

As you see, typical of a unmature behaviour  

[Yeager]

Hangtime,

Its gonna take at least a year of this stuff with a dedicated team of organizers and a few more versions to get all the bugs worked out.

I totally understand your position!  A fella has to have a decent return in enjoyment for the time invested.  That didnt happen today but stay in the general area.  Im thinking it should get better as time goes on.

Yeager

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Hangtime, get your butt back there you American Sissy. It's too easy to screew up something and say :"Ok, me bad, I quit".

So what? You leave everything like this, and say:"here's the mess, enjoy."

Learn from your mistakes, dust yourself up and go fighting. grrrr!!!

Frenchy.

[Cobra]

 

Originally posted by wolf37:
hi all:

 everybody knows the other guy is way up there. my squad found a squad of 109's that had alt advangte on us, and we where at 27k.
so dont being saying its the allied forces that are way up there only. I would love to see a 15 to 20 k cap in here. hell, id rather fight at 1k rather then 20k. but it is all the squads heading for the high alt so they wont get bounced.

wolf37

LOL Wolf...talk about fog of war...If it was over malta and you were in spits, then the 109's were my squad.  We were at 27k and thought that you guys were higher at above 30k!

Funny how impressions are formed.  I remember leveling the squad at 27k and about a minute later seeing the Spits who looked to be above us.  BTW that first encounter was a great fight.  Very cat and mouse.  <S>

Cobra

[Hangtime]

Wolf37.. Since you've stepped forward to take the reins; looks like you got the job. You poor sod.  

So that you may have some clue as to what you are stepping into; lemme give you a few pointers. First, you'd better get an AAR together from the squad CO's. Check CAMO's AAR outline for a workable format.. Camo's doin an outstanding job keepin his CO's communicating.. (ask him how he did that.. I neglected too; and I'm damn sorry I did) Somebody else here suggested that if you can't get a CO to do his job; fire his bellybutton and find somebody else. Good Luck.   The pay stinks; the hours suck, and there are no discernable benifits.

Next; you are gonna need to try and get some kinda assurances from the organisers that your arena is set correctly; and impress upon them that postioning hostile acks next to your bases is entirely unacceptable.. good luck here too.

Then you need to convince them that they don't need to compound your pre-scenario diffculties by adding additional requirements without notice... I'd say that having your CO's report squad levels pre- frame; and allowing YOU to decide WHO you put in WHAT shorthanded squad from the walk on pool is preferable to the 'orgainisers' sending you the guys they don't want.

Having the 'organisers' fly for the opposition, setting the ROE and adusting the arena and selecting your pilots stinks to high heaven. I understand that their intentions are honorable; regardless of results. Nonetheless, the best way to make sure (trust; but verify) the intent is a fair game; either get them to estabish a blanced committee staffed by yourself and Cammo and your respective XO's or ask the 'organisers' to get the hell outta either sides cockpit or HQ.. IMHO if they manage to put a cap on alts; yer crews are gonna get screwed fer sure.

Lastly.. find a good XO. (I should have.. but didn't. bad mistake) Offload the AAR requirement stuff onto his shoulders, Give him the authority to hire and fire and have him whip up a good set of Squad CO's and have them feed HIM the pre-frame staffing/walk on requirements.

Next; give up MA flying and concentrate (three nights a week) on getting two sets of cohesive mission plans together.. one for 'fun' frames; one for 'the real deal' frames. Also, you'd better get somebody to head up your spit squad.. I assure you; you will be unable to handle your crews in the air and run a campaign at the same time effectivly.

Oh.. and grow a real thick skin. Takes a special kinda hide to do this and not go buggy trying. You have some outstanding pople there in your corner.. don't let 'em down like I did.

<S!> and again.. Good Luck!

Hang

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<S> Hangtime u where a fine cdr