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Offline Arlo

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« Reply #60 on: April 13, 2003, 04:38:18 PM »
No, you're wrong. You have much to learn as far as the difference in open assembly and discrimination is concerned. Christian organizations (and sub-organizations) are as free to exist as Jewish ones, Atheist ones, heritage groups, etc. I would not dream of calling the YMCA "racist" ... nor the YMHA ... nor a squadron in AH that is looking for members that are Christian. Your logic supports oppression instead of combating it.

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Hmm.. I can't find a part there that would OK discriminating people for thier religion though, do you Arlo?

IMO the whole sentiment behind the article supports what I said. Don't you agree?
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Offline Siaf__csf

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« Reply #61 on: April 13, 2003, 04:50:47 PM »
Arlo but aren't muslims, jew's and buddhist welcome to YMCA just as well as christians?

If tern would have come forward to clarify, all this would be unnecessary in the end. Maybe it was his intent indeed to be open.
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« Reply #62 on: April 13, 2003, 04:57:56 PM »
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I disagree completely.  I think a public forum is the perfect place to discuss this sort of thing.



Your comments belong in the O'Club, not here.


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« Reply #63 on: April 13, 2003, 05:19:05 PM »
Tern doesn't need to clarify anything. His squad can be exclusively Christian if he/they want. It's not against the constitution of the U.S. (and more than likely of any nation) nor is it against the U.N.'s declaration of human rights. It's only against your personal set of principals. Don't join it.

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Arlo but aren't muslims, jew's and buddhist welcome to YMCA just as well as christians?

If tern would have come forward to clarify, all this would be unnecessary in the end. Maybe it was his intent indeed to be open.
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« Reply #64 on: April 13, 2003, 06:09:51 PM »
crimony...the response to this post may finish me off on the bs err bbs. Yes, the post belongs in the squad recruiting forum, but in no way deserves the roasting xxternxx received. what a bunch of squeaky whiners.
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« Reply #65 on: April 13, 2003, 06:14:10 PM »
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Your comments belong in the O'Club, not here.


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Well, the thread was apparently in the wrong place as well...  I was responding within the thread, not starting my own.;)
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« Reply #66 on: April 13, 2003, 08:05:24 PM »
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Well the way the post was put I understood it as such that entering outside the christian religion was prohibited.

That would clearly fall in the discriminating category.





No it's not.  xxTERNxx is well within his rights to have certain requirements to join his squadron.  To join the 479th, you have to be 21 years or older and no one has accused us of discrimination for this policy.

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« Reply #67 on: April 14, 2003, 04:53:57 AM »
Sadly ACK-ACK they may do so yet....

I've have noticed that not only do christans have all shapes and sizes but they also have different COLORS!

I fail to see racism in the thread/request.

As to the UN ... let's see ...

One of their first actions was ....

in the congo there was a war between individuals that wanted a republic/democracy and individuals that wanted a communist/socialist state.

The UN came in and disarmed the individuals that wanted a republic/democracy, (for their own good of course!) stayed awhile, and then left taking the confiscated weapons with them thereby leaving the individuals that were pro republic/democracy defenseless.

Result ... many massacres of very many pro republic/democracy individuals.

If one reads the UN charter/rights carefully one notices that the word RIGHTS is never really applied.  Privilage (ya I know spelling) is implied and thus can be takin away for no reason what so ever.  Whereas a RIGHT may not.

The UN has a problem ... far too many member states surpress the freedoms of their own people, and will willingly do so to others ... OH and of course it's for their own good. (hmm should I throw in an "It's for the children" here)

Far too often I see individuals that seem far too intent on minding the business of, and the controlling of, others while using the argument it is for their own good as well as the good of everyone.

IMHO minding someone elses business, when their not attacking or violating the rights of others, tends to lead to despotic and antifreedom/antirights situations.
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« Reply #68 on: April 14, 2003, 08:45:37 AM »
What's really scary is the way you've been brainwashed into thinking the UN is a bad thing.
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« Reply #69 on: April 14, 2003, 10:20:44 AM »
I've only looked at the UN's track record thus far.  And confess I find it extremely lacking in obtaining my trust due to its actions and activities!

If brain washing has occured the UN did it! Please read my previous post again.

The really scary thing IMHO is the way so many seem to think so highly of the UN while ignoreing the stances as well as activities the UN seems to take!

The Heavy handed treatment <--- (read here prison time and confiscation of private property for trespassing?!) of Americans within America while on American soil, soil which are politicians gave over to the control of to the UN.

The UN troops sexually abusing children and muslim women in Bosnia!?  

The people that now are in charge of the UN human rights abuse agency!?

The UN seems to disarm people and then leave them at the mercy of their enemies!

They have actually worked very hard at destroying any trust I might willingly give them.  Further far too much of what I see seems anti-freedom, anti-liberty, and anti-human rights!

Granted this may be because of my upbringing.  I further confess my political leanings are towards the libratarian (ya spelling again) aproach. <---( please note I do not mean in the Liberal sense as in Democratic Liberal as I have come to believe they're bent toward socialism/communism ).

I guess I believe in freedom, liberty, and justice under the rule of law.  Law which is based solely on the constitution as it was originally framed/intended.  Not the new interpretations coming out of politicians that seem daily to violate their oath of office, and the media that doesn't give me factual reporting but heavily biased/slanted infromation leaving out anything they do not want me to hear that might affect the result they seek.

Something that saddens me deeply is someone seemed to feel it was needful to throw in the KKK thing when they could have easily ignored the entire thread.  That someone seemed to feel an attack on anothers beliefs was needed for some reason I can not fathom.  What will happen if someone wishes to start a muslim only squad?  A Hindi only squad?  A drunk old men only squad?  A drunk old ladies only squad? A left handed nose pickers only squad???

If any of the afore mentioned "only squads" are ok then why was an attack on someone usinG the "C" word needed?

Didn't someone say that if we don't protect the rights of even our enemies we open the way to the loss of our own rights?

I guess what i'm asking is WHAT EXACTLY IS YOU'RE PROBLEM WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL?
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« Reply #70 on: April 14, 2003, 11:47:18 AM »
Since his squad would be a small private club, he is not subject to laws about discrimination on any level.  Even if he requested only WASP's that hate all minorities, he would not be violating anyone's constitutional rights.  Unless his squad turned into something that wielded some economic power that could affect interstate commerce he is perfectly free to do this.

As far as the UN goes, it's supposed to promote world peace and harmony, but all the reps do, including us, is use their economic and military might to impose things on other nations that benefit that benefit that nation, not the world as a whole.  All politics are local.

On a more practical level, a christian is supposed to turn the other cheek, that could get you killed around here LOL.
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« Reply #71 on: April 14, 2003, 10:59:22 PM »
Good Luck with your squadron member search Tern.

To the rest of you guys. While not all of us show the qualities and traits that are associated with being good people; regardless of religious conviction and affliliation or lack thereof. I feel that being a Christian is an awesome responsibility and at times it seems like a burden but one that I willingly carry. I know others here are not religious (as in being a Christian) but that is well within their rights and privileges as human beings. I would not/do not expect any more or less of them than decent actions as a human.
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« Reply #72 on: April 15, 2003, 01:16:10 AM »
You know guys it is very true that the greatest battles ever fought was not fought in the air or on the sea or on the battlefields of the world. They have been fought in the human spirit. I am sorry that some of you  found the language in my post to be discriminating, I did not mean it that way. All are welcome to apply to the Storm. WE are looking for  Dignity, Cooperation, Fun. And for all you Christians out there I just want to share with you all an amazing thing that is
happening RIGHT NOW near Kuwait!
In the midst of this turmoil, here is something positive and a praise report. Our God is GOOD !!!!!!!!!!!!

Baptism in the desert
Pfc. David Kurns is baptized by Task Force Chaplain Capt. Ron Cooper,
left,
and 1st Lt. Brian Case, right, in the desert north of Kuwait City,
Wednesday, March 12. Eight members of the 3rd Infantry Division were
baptized in the desert on Wednesday. Use the URL below.


http://fortunecity.com/business/perot/1681/storm/id28.htm
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Offline Siaf__csf

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« Reply #73 on: April 15, 2003, 04:37:33 AM »
xxTernxx that's the spirit.. and my apologies.
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Re: WOW, what a Storm (Sorry)
« Reply #74 on: April 16, 2003, 11:16:01 AM »
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You know guys it is very true that the greatest battles ever fought was not fought in the air or on the sea or on the battlefields of the world. They have been fought in the human spirit. I am sorry that some of you  found the language in my post to be discriminating, I did not mean it that way. All are welcome to apply to the Storm. WE are looking for  Dignity, Cooperation, Fun. And for all you Christians out there I just want to share with you all an amazing thing that is
happening RIGHT NOW near Kuwait!
In the midst of this turmoil, here is something positive and a praise report. Our God is GOOD !!!!!!!!!!!!

Baptism in the desert
Pfc. David Kurns is baptized by Task Force Chaplain Capt. Ron Cooper,
left,
and 1st Lt. Brian Case, right, in the desert north of Kuwait City,
Wednesday, March 12. Eight members of the 3rd Infantry Division were
baptized in the desert on Wednesday. Use the URL below.


http://fortunecity.com/business/perot/1681/storm/id28.htm


This is EXACTLY the kind of cr*p (see above article link) that is so utterly annoying about the super-religious.  You're calling all the rest of us sinners, who are "lost" to God and condemned to Hell.  Thank you so much for want to save us all by converting us to your ONE true religion.  The poor Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists etc. etc. are all going to Hell according to this branch of religion.  Then, when you (meaning those from this article) send missionaries into muslim countries and tell them they are going to Hell because they aren't following the right God, and they have to convert, you get all surprised when violence erupts.  Thats why wars start.  I personally live by the Golden Rule - apparently I'm going to Hell for it.
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