Author Topic: Is America disintegrating? (Read 2258 times)

Bodhi · « **Reply #30 on:** April 19, 2003, 02:43:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Dune
In my year and a half as a prosecutor, I have seen things that defy imagination. I have seen the worst that a person can do to another. Often just because they can. You can read those stories, you can even see the pictures...but until you're face to face with a 16 year old girl who has been raped, asking her to relive every detail so you'll be able to convince a judge that the defendant is guilty...You cannot imagine the pain you see.

And I cannot express my anger at someone who would do this. But many times it's all they know. Brutality begats brutality. Boys see their fathers treat their mothers and other woman like **** and do the same. Girls see their moms beaten because the food is cold and figure that is just how life is and accept it themselves. And the cycle continues. The strong dominate the weak. And it's ok.

Sure, especially in the juvenile world, we try to stop this behavior before it becomes a lifestyle. If an offender can be rehabilitated, and truly wants to be, then by all means let's give them the help they need. Let's try to break the cycle in this instance. But too often they don't care.

Some kids never see the way out. They don't know anyone who made it out of their ****-hole existance. And if they do, it's someone that their buddies picked on becuase they weren't cool enough.

It's going to take more than money and education. It's going to take a shift in mentality. It's not ok to hit women. It's not ok to sing songs about rape (I just had a case where a 12 year old boy forced a 6 year old to perform oral sex on him becuase he heard about it on a rap cd...no toejam). Getting an education is a good thing. Stop having sex at 15 and have a baby at 16 is not a good thing......I could go on and on. It's not money. It's not education. Or, it's not them alone. This country needs a shift in mentality. Or, and pardon me for saying this, but this country needs to pull its morals out of the gutter.

Well said Dune, well said. But one last thing I would like to add, is that the turn of this nation away from spirituality to selfindulgence is also a massive cause in the problems of today. I do know that my children will receive an introduction to spirituality by their parents, and be allowed to choose their own path at a mature age. I do believe that is why my head stay level.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #31 on:** April 19, 2003, 03:11:08 PM »

I think alot of the problem with violent teenagers (and some of your younger adults) is that most boys are raised by women (some women are good at raising boys but most are clueless as to the things boys deal with that women never see).

that and the zero tolarance on any violence at all in elementry school.

these kids are told they are not allowed to fight from the time they are born.

"no excuse for violence"
no matter what, it doesn't matter if the other kid hits first. you should just yell for help while the other guy beats on you, don't hit back.

while it does take 2 to fight, most schools don't realise it only takes 1 to beat on a victim.

so instead of kids having normal scraps like me and most guys my age or older had, and eventually sorting out these fealings while you are young and doing relitivly minor damage to each other.

and there will always be bullys and all we've done is guarentee helpless victims, who have no idea how to defend themselves.

The bullys get worse and worse. nothing to build confidence in a thug like no resistance from the victim

these victims eventually can't take anymore and snap. they have no idea how to deffend themselves normally and know they can't win a fist fight so they get a gun and you have another Columbine.

RightF00T · « **Reply #32 on:** April 19, 2003, 03:23:11 PM »

Ahh yet another Teacher-Saves-The-World Movie. Kind of like "The Substitute" and "Dangerous Minds" and countless others.

Plot: Poor school overrun by gangbangers and ghetto kids. Faculty has ceased to care. Innocent teacher moves to town and starts workin there. TEacher assumes MACHO mode and starts cleanin up the school. Teacher confronted by gangbangers set in their ways. "Why you be changin things foo, I bout to bust a cap in..." Insert ridicolous stereotype. Dumb kid finally passes a test and thanks teacher in sappy scene. Teacher moves out of town and kids watch as he/she rides off into sunset. Insert various nationality of said teacher.

Dune · « **Reply #33 on:** April 19, 2003, 03:46:21 PM »

Syzygyone, thanks for the encouragement.

Don't get me wrong, I love what I do. Especially being in a courtroom every day, the trials, and the mental gymnastics.

But the most rewarding is the thought that not only could I be helping the victims, but there are the kids who come in and perhaps learn their lesson. It's sometimes a hard call to make, figuring out how harsh their lesson should be. But I know there are those who figure it out. And if what I do helps them, even if it's only 5%, then it's worth it.

One of the best stories I have is a kid who got into a fight at high school. It was quickly broken up and the school resource officer (policeman) took him aside. He asked him why, after being a pretty good kid, decided to start a fight at school and with someone bigger than he was. The kid replied that the bigger kid had been telling everyone for two weeks he wanted to fight. So he decided it would look good to everyone if he started the fight and if he did it at school, someone would be along to break it up quickly before he got hurt.

I gave him diverson and dismissed the case

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #34 on:** April 19, 2003, 04:20:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
At the risk of being labeled a "right winger", kids are worse today than they were 40 years ago. That does not mean all of them are bad. The bad ones are the ones that get the press and movies. You know there WERE quite a few OTHER kids in Columbine but you never hear about them do you.

The conflict in Iraq is a good example that quite a few of our "kids" have matured in a responsible manner. The examples shown in the "embedded" press are great reminders that we should not just concentrate on spotlighting the bad kids and should recognize the good ones.

Hollywierd is NOT a common view of society. As they say, never let the truth get in the way of a story. I suppose CNN might use that for a "defense".

Here's what i see in the future of the US kids today, people who immigrate to USA will be the bosses and the citizens here are going to work under the boss's command.

I also predict that Russia will be #1 superpower because they have intelectual people there and they will beat us again like they did with their SPUTNIKS and Yuri Gagarin. Russia's schools are free like here in the USA but they value education there and we throw it away here in the US (those people who dont give a F@*K).

Urchin · « **Reply #35 on:** April 19, 2003, 05:33:08 PM »

No, perhaps it was a bad idea to give the movie as an example. It kind of steered my post in the wrong direction.

Yes, it is a symptom of what I see as a rot, for lack of a better word. But another and larger part is that nobody seems to care about anyone else. Managers, for instance- they don't care about their employees at all. Employees are just another resource to a manager, and an expendable one at that. I'd say probably 95% of the managers I've worked for care for one thing, which is how big their paycheck is going to be. Since their bonus comes out of your paycheck (after all, whats the easiest way to cut costs? Cut employees, you can hire more later. But it isn't just 'managers' .. it seems just about all-pervasive in our society. Everyone worships money... and thats it. If they have to crush you to get an extra dollar, they will.

Ah, I'm not to good at expressing myself I guess, so I'll put an end to the lament now and spare you.

Otto · « **Reply #36 on:** April 19, 2003, 06:02:13 PM »

Is America disintegrating?

I just checked my lawn. It seems to be intact.

Airhead · « **Reply #37 on:** April 19, 2003, 06:05:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin

Ah, I'm not to good at expressing myself I guess, so I'll put an end to the lament now and spare you.

Urchin, I thought you articulated yourself quite well, and most of us know exactly what you're saying and, for the most part, agree with you. Thanks for posting, it's an intresting thread.

Maverick · « **Reply #38 on:** April 19, 2003, 06:26:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Ike 2K#
Here's what i see in the future of the US kids today, people who immigrate to USA will be the bosses and the citizens here are going to work under the boss's command.

I also predict that Russia will be #1 superpower because they have intelectual people there and they will beat us again like they did with their SPUTNIKS and Yuri Gagarin. Russia's schools are free like here in the USA but they value education there and we throw it away here in the US (those people who dont give a F@*K).

I have no idea why you quoted my post as you said nothing related to it.

BTW Rusia did not "beat" us, if you look it up please see how the USSR is no longer and while they were first in a couple areas of the space race they have long since stagnated in working "new ground".

john9001 · « **Reply #39 on:** April 19, 2003, 08:36:59 PM »

SPUTNIK?? you make me laugh, while america was working "real" satellites that really did something, USSR put up a dinky little ball that did nothing but send out a "beep, beep".

da da we beat you into space, da da

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #40 on:** April 19, 2003, 09:19:48 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
SPUTNIK?? you make me laugh, while america was working "real" satellites that really did something, USSR put up a dinky little ball that did nothing but send out a "beep, beep".

da da we beat you into space, da da

umm what signals did the 1st US satellites send? i think the signals they send were based on a radio signal and says..........

"we are 2nd to none"

Bodhi · « **Reply #41 on:** April 19, 2003, 10:55:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Ike 2K#
I also predict that Russia will be #1 superpower because they have intelectual people there and they will beat us again like they did with their SPUTNIKS and Yuri Gagarin. Russia's schools are free like here in the USA but they value education there and we throw it away here in the US (those people who dont give a F@*K).

This has got to be the biggest crock of crap anyone has ever spewed on the message board ever! The Russians have sold 55% of their future Oil Wealth to American Big Business, and that is just a start. 85% of the Gold found in Siberia now belongs to an American Mining firm as well. You think those companies don't have a stake in Russia's future? Think again, the biggest economic sales goto the US, and will continue to do so for the next 50+ years. The reason is simple, the US has the highest amount of high end earning people in the world.

Until Russia ends their severe black market and Russian Mob, there will be no Russian Economic Victory on the horizon. And that is very unlikey to happen as American Companies serve to earn little and gain much with the demise of the Russian Black MArket and Mob.

Ignorance really must be bliss in your world ya dumb toejam.

hyena426 · « **Reply #42 on:** April 20, 2003, 12:42:19 AM »

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Our youth now have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room;(Socrates, 5th Century BC)

<~~very well put by socrates,,just goes to show,,the more free a society gets,,the more it takes to entertain them!,,,greeks and romans first democrats pretty much,,,and they ended up killing people and animal's in arena's for entertainment,,,atleast we got movies that are fake instead of doing the real thing! and robots that can fight in arena's for us<~~~think they will let us use some of iraqs surplus wepons on robot wars?,,heheh now that would be cool

there is allways going to be some one who thinks wrong,,and going to bend movies or lyrics into a reason for them to commit some awfull crime,,lol

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Brutality begats brutality. Boys see their fathers treat their mothers and other woman like **** and do the same

im sure in some casses it sure does,,but just because a kid see's there parent do somthing,,doesnt mean they think its right,,give kids a little room for being smart,,lol,, i seen my mom get beat up by my stepdad a few times when i was a little kid,,{i never hit or beat any of my girlfreinds} nor would i,,,,,,i know people who were abused just as bad,,,but they never did anything bad and i would trust them with my life,,,it just counts on the person,,,,most people who commit a crime are going to do the crime anyways,,and saying they got abused or beat as a kid,,is somtimes just a excuse so they can get away with it{not allways}

Eagler · « **Reply #43 on:** April 20, 2003, 11:44:01 AM »

more liberal democrats running the show ...

more Opra's/Dr Phils to tell the masses when, how & what to think ...

more springer/love muffin shows called entertainment...

more hollywood types speaking as if they had half a brain not burnt out by coke ...

legalized drugs ...

abortion on demand ....

no marriage, long term commitments ....

ZERO personal responsibilty .....

remove ANY reference to the DIVINE from EVERYWHERE...

if it feels good, do it .. if it feels great, do it twice...

.. then all would be right in the world.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #44 on:** April 20, 2003, 03:11:24 PM »

It's all into the education the parents is giving to their children.

Alas, in USA ... sheesh ... the "my kid is a king" don't slap him and freedom to grow the way you want ... well, all this retarded 1968 type of attitude combined with a hint of "TV violence derision" perverts the mind and leads to "The Dude". The Dude ... getting associated with other "The Dude" then becomes an example of of "everything is possible" and "I need fast cash" ... the horde of dude, motivating each other with clouded judgement, is not more worthy than a flock of cheerleaders in a Macy's dressing room the night before the prom.