Author Topic: Is America disintegrating? (Read 2256 times)

Sandman · « **Reply #45 on:** April 20, 2003, 07:45:53 PM »

Look on the flight decks of any United States aircraft carrier.

Look on the battlefields of Aghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, and Kosova.

Realize that the young men and women that are doing the fighting come from this "disintegrating America."

It's a load of nonsense.

Our children are indeed incredible human beings, no less incredible than those in decades past.

I hadn't considered this until the C.O. of the U.S.S. Lincoln pointed it out. He has faith in our youth. He sees them every single day. We all should.

Hint: Turn off the television.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #46 on:** April 20, 2003, 09:37:56 PM »

Only a few ...while their peers are fighting, others don't give a rat prettythang about the geopolitical situation and are squeaking at mom because she gave them only $300 to buy chrome rims to put on their brand new honda Civic. After all, dressing like a slut when you are 17 brings instant easy recognition ... that would take years of character molding to achieve otherwise.

Stang · « **Reply #47 on:** April 21, 2003, 02:36:48 AM »

Hey Frenchy I drive a Civic (no chromies though)

Urchin does bring up a good question though, and not one that is just brought up by the conservative types. I too get the feeling we somehow are moving toward a more chaotic world at home and abroad. And yes there are certain scary parallels to what happened in Rome, but I'm too tired to get into it tonight, so maybe I'll post something on it tomorrow. Bottom line though, the march of history seems to always drift toward the positive, but things usually get a lot worse before they get much better.

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #48 on:** April 21, 2003, 04:20:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
single day. We all should.........

Hint: Turn off the television.

...and dont let your kids watch MTV. I HATE my MTV because that channel poisons our american kids with gangsta rappers like Tupac Shakur and suicidal rockers like "KURT COKAIN (Cobaine)" in the group called Nirvana.

...and you better be strict to your son/daughter (if you have one). Once they reach 13 years old and dont let 'em have sex untill they finish college with a bachelors' degree and your son/daughter will be sucessful in life and they will be for the good of the USA.

now thats how you stop the 300 year old AMERICA from disintegrating.

Suave · « **Reply #49 on:** April 21, 2003, 06:42:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Vermillion
I think one of the problems is that in many western liberal democracies, the concept of "personal responsibility" is dead.

If little Johnny or Jane is naughty and vandalizes a neighbors house, it wasn't "their fault". And the parents will even defend them to the bitter end.

If someone is a mass murderer and goes to court, it "wasn't his fault, he had a bad childhood".

An act of road rage? A bad day at work.

And all the rest of the bull****. Too many excuses, and not enough pointing the blame at where the blame should go.

What ? You mean it's not the fault of tobacco, video games, marijuana and popular music ?

Seriously, I think a lot of our social problems can be traced back to the breakdown of the family unit . People, especially women, most often are motivated to procreate for selfish reasons, that's natural, so is overpopulation of a dominant species, and we know how nature deals with overpopulation .

ccvi · « **Reply #50 on:** April 21, 2003, 07:10:20 AM »

It's all the fault of furballs cruel avatar!

Elfie · « **Reply #51 on:** April 21, 2003, 01:43:46 PM »

At least part of the fault lies with our social workers who say, spanking your kids is wrong no matter what the kid has done.

I have a son who is now 20. When he was 15 his mother sent him to live with me because he was *uncontrollable*. ie stealing, running away from home, hanging out with known gangs etc etc.
When he first showed up money started to disappear, things with value like jewelry also started to disappear. We knew it was him taking these things but had no proof. I installed a deadbolt lock on our bedroom door, and we started keeping money and other valuables in our (locked) room. So what does my son do? He cuts the screen on our bedroom window and comes in through the window. One night my wife forgets to put her purse in the bedroom and he wipes her out. (takes over $40)

At this point I sit him down and tell him we know it's him taking this stuff and that at 15 he knows it's wrong and why. I also explain future consequences for any further stealing. Less than 2 weeks later he cleans out his 3 year old half-sisters purse. Now the consequences I laid out for him come into play. (the consequences was a spanking. I used his belt since I do not own one). He called 911, I got a ticket for child abuse. I spent over $4000 on attorney fees fighting this and still ended up with a deferred judgement, 1 year probation and mandatory parenting classes.

Absolutely no one would do anything about his stealing, all they cared about was the fact that I had spanked him with a belt.

Kids today know that if their parents use corparal (sp) punishment all they have to do is call the police and thier parents will be in big trouble, so they do as they wish without regard for any consequences.

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #52 on:** April 21, 2003, 02:07:30 PM »

Just send him to the BOOT CAMP man and he'll shape up.

Sandman · « **Reply #53 on:** April 21, 2003, 02:28:01 PM »

Elfie, did you consider contacting the police before you struck your child?

Elfie · « **Reply #54 on:** April 21, 2003, 02:39:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Elfie, did you consider contacting the police before you struck your child?

Yes, this was part of an *escalating consequences* plan that was explained to him. However, I felt (and still do) that it was better to try to resolve the issue w/o involving the police if possible. His mother had called the police on him multiple times and this was a source of great resentment in him.

I even asked the police later what, if anything they would have done if I had called them. Their answers were less than satisfactory. Because he lived in the home things like fingerprints would most likely not have been considered evidence.

The point of my post was to show how helpless many parents with troubled children truly are. The system doesnt care about the kids unless you strike them for their behavior........then they want to throw the book at ya.....

Eagler · « **Reply #55 on:** April 21, 2003, 02:40:55 PM »

elfie
thank the libs

Elfie · « **Reply #56 on:** April 21, 2003, 02:42:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
elfie
thank the libs

no kidding

Elfie · « **Reply #57 on:** April 21, 2003, 02:45:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Ike 2K#
Just send him to the BOOT CAMP man and he'll shape up.

He joined the Army over a year ago. I have not heard from him since he signed up, so I have no idea what unit he is with or where he is stationed.

That may not be such a bad thing. If he is in Iraq I would have had many sleepless nights. Sometimes ignorance truly is bliss

Sandman · « **Reply #58 on:** April 21, 2003, 02:46:31 PM »

I understand. I can't empathize, but I understand. I have a 15 year old of my own at home. Corporal punishment isn't part of the regimen here and I believe you'll have a hard time finding a better behaved young man. FWIW, my parents divorced when I was 18. Didn't really effect me, but my youngest sister put them through the ringer. Effective parenting has got to be difficult from a divided front.

Blame the libs... bah... that's a cop out, IMHO.

Maverick · « **Reply #59 on:** April 21, 2003, 02:50:05 PM »

Elf,

Nice try on salvaging the kid. It's too bad the ex had to send him to you at a point where he was all but past salvage. Just a quick question, did this take place in california?

As an Officer I have responded to more than one "abuse" call to find that it was an overreaction of the reprter to a normal disciplinary spaning. Fortunately it's not that bad in AZ....yet. I did take action in a couple cases but it was a clear case of abuse. The kids were sent to a foster home and they got a second chance to have a good home.