Originally posted by Boroda
The problem is that mr. Radio-Toad tries to bait me for not admitting my own personal responsibility
Ah, NO. That's not it and you know it. You weren't even born then; you have no "personal responsibility" for the aggression and atrocities perpetrated by the Soviet Union.
However, you fail to admit ANY Soviet responsibility for some of the greatest atrocities in the history of man, Katyn Forest being a prime example.
Now, to refresh your memory on how this all started in the "Thousands Demonstrate in Anti-Bush March" thread, here's some DIRECT QUOTES of YOURS... YOUR OWN WORDS.
As for being "anti-american" - I just can't imagine what should happen in order to make me support agressors. All words about "liberation" simply make me sick. Especially when spoken by righteous young Party activists.
So you just can't support aggressors, but you can be totally in support of Stalin?
I understood your post that you mean Stalin was an agressor?
Yes, that's what I meant. That's what all but a very few people left alive on the planet mean too. You being one of the exceptions.
Toad, "invasion" in Finland had only one purpose: to protect Leningrad, and you know it. League of Nations didn't recognize Soviet term of "indirect agression" (BTW, a bad translation, "kosvennaya agressiya" is quite different from "nepryamaya agressiya"), but this term exactly describes what happened in June 24th on Finnish border. JFYI, after the White-Finnish war USSR simply forced an exchange of territory, offered to Finns before the war.
Hey, WAIT! In this thread you JUST said:
Boroda: I admit that the White-Finnish war was agressive....USSR had a goal, nessesary to survive. We offered a bargain. Then we forced Finns to accept the offer.
Goodness, first you deny it then you admit it.
Beyond that, do you realize that you just said that ANY country that views a particular issue as a matter of its national survival... by their own judgement only... is justified in waging agressive war?
Skipping the list of treaties with Polish state that by Sept. 17th 1939 ceased to exist. Now tell me how many people Red Army saved from nazis in Eastern Poland.
KATYN must be an example of "saving Poles"! Stalin "saved" people in funny ways, I guess.
I'm not surprised you want to ignore the five treaties that were in existance with the Polish government at the time Stalin stabbed the Poles in the back. The Polish state HAD NOT ceased to exist when Stalin invaded. Germany invaded from the west on 1 September 1939, starting the Second World War. Russia invaded from the east on 17 September. Warsaw, the seat of Polish governement did not fall to the Nazis until 27 September.
Here's a real strange idea to consider: What if the Soviet Union, instead of getting into bed with Hitler in the Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty that carved up Poland between them, had actually AIDED POLAND against the Nazis? What if they had fought WITH the Poles? Don't want to talk about that, do you?
What if all those Russian divisions had been used against Hitler? You castigate the French for sitting on their butts while Hitler invaded Poland? LOL! At least they didn't stab the Poles in the back with their divisions like the Soviet Union did!
Toad:
Oh, yeah.. remember what happened on 15 June 1940 in Lithuania? June 17, 1940 in Latvia? September 28, 1939 in Estonia?
BORODA: You call THAT an "agression"!? Damn, it happened after absolutely Democratic procedures.
Yeah, I call it aggression. Those people had the choice of voting to accepting "peaceful" assimilation into the Soviet Union or to accept instant invasion by the Soviet Army. Pretty revealing that they initially welcomed the Nazi Army as liberators, wouldn't you say? (Of course, the Nazi's were no better than the Soviets as it turned out.) Do a little in-depth reading on it from the Latvian, Lithuanian or Estonian history books......
I just wonder what will US of A do when some day they'll find people in a "friendly" country hanging your allies on lamp posts. And JFYI: "invasions" in Hungary and Czechoslovakia were perforemed by Warsaw Treaty troops, not only Soviet.
Again: did anyone in the "free world" care about poor Magyars and Czechs? Did they do anything to help them after they arranged that great provocations? No they didn't.
That "people wanting freedom" thing is just a b tch, isn't it? Your "Warsaw Pact" invasion (as if the Warsaw Pact would do anything independently of orders from Moscow) was aggression against an internal change of government. The Hungarians and the Czechs wanted to shape their own destiny. What they got instead was Soviet tanks.
So again, what you misunderstand is that I do not hold YOU personally responsible for these things. I don't even hold you responsible for learning what they taught in your schools. The history was obviously skewed.
What you are responsible for, IMO, is continuing to spew the unrecognizably skewed history they taught you while ignoring the entire world of unfiltered knowledge that can now be summoned with a few keystrokes.
You can read up on these things from several different sources. And if you free your mind, you'll see the truth is not what they told you.
But... sadly we'd then lose one of the most entertaining aspects of the O-Club.
You are missing a great opportunity though..... the guy has made tons of money selling the misery that was the Soviet Union as humor.
Yakov Smirnoff 
