Time to light up North Korea...

[Syzygyone]

Originally posted by AKIron
Hehe, similar reason South Korea has such a high highway fatality rate, they learned to drive from American GIs.

Hey now, don't go getting all stereotypical and such.  Them's our fathers and grandfathers you be dissing!

[batdog]

Originally posted by Toad
So?

What do you do about it now? Give them everything they want immediately? How long do you think the world will be able to appease them? What message will you be sending the other crackpot dictators?

Not to worry.... we have the UN SC on the job even as we type here.

Naaa... wasnt saying to appease them Toad. I'm simply telling peps that NK aint no Iraq. Yea... we'd kick thier bellybutton but the butchers bill will be alot higher.

And if they have nukes...they'll use them. The entire mentality of the NK population is FAR different than that of the Iraqi's.

What we have is a potential mess that could rival anything seen such WW2...

[FDutchmn]

Originally posted by OIO
Ra, theres a FERRY that runs for 10 minutes from the tip of Japan to South Korea... just under the border with NK. Not to mention warships, transports, etc.

Dutch, you cannot possible believe your government will just allow NK to lob a missile and hit one of your cities and just "let it be". You fellas are not in an Israel-like situation; if you get hit, the only ones getting in deep **** are those that lobbed the missile. And the JDF is not a "defensive" force, its an actual military with full offensive capabilities; they are only limited by the constitution. True, it is not as large or as radically massively armed as the US, UK or Australia, a "defense force" cant be justified if its big. But you can bet your arse the JDF is ready to perform any offensive action it may be called upon.

I dont mean to tell you how things are in your own country, far from it! All i'm trying to say is one thing is what is advertised for the benefit of the public (including international public) and another is cold, logical reality. No military ever exists without it having contingency plans for offensive operations, the JDF is no different, and given its purpose and the reason for which it was created, its virtually guaranteed they are ready to go out and kick arse.

Sorry, this is a path we should not be taking, given our past history.  We are guilty of what we did some 60 years ago, and should not be allowed to repeat it in anyway.  Even if a missile is fired on us, we are not to invade the Korean peninsula ever again.  Our only hope is to shoot it down before it reaches our soil.  This is a price we have to pay for what we did during WW2.

[funkedup]

Originally posted by muckmaw

If they do, would we not be allowed to unleash our ICBMs?

More likely the response would be carried out by B-2's.  If China sees a missile heading in their general direction who knows what they will do.  Also the Russians have a crappy missile warning system which might misinterpret the launch.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by funkedup
More likely the response would be carried out by B-2's.  If China sees a missile heading in their general direction who knows what they will do.  Also the Russians have a crappy missile warning system which might misinterpret the launch.

Alright, simple fix, we just make some of the Cruise missles.."Specials".

Can a Tomahawk carry a nuclear warhead?

What about a Sub Launched Missle? I know we have the Boomers out there, but would that trip the Russian/Chinese warning system?

[funkedup]

Cruise missiles would be a possibility.  Tomahawk and ALCM and ACM were all designed for the primary role of carrying nukes.
SLBM would carry the same risks as ICBM.

[AKIron]

Not just B2s, B1s could slip in undetected as well.

When I was stationed at Canon AFB, '77-'78, it was reported that of all the planes in the US inventory, the F-111 was the one most feared by the Soviets. The reason: it's high speed low level radar evading flight capabilities. That the B1 has a similar flight profile is no accident.

[Rude]

I don't buy the Chinese are motivated by capitalism or loss of face or other related reasons why the Chinese are uncomfortable regarding NK.

I have believed all along, that it is indeed the Chinese who are behind this nuclear posturing....they are watching us...a test so to speak. Taiwan needs to watch their backs through all of this.

Just my theory and gut instinct.

[Toad]

WHO, IF NOT US?

WHEN, IF NOT NOW?

WHERE, IF NOT HERE?

Sometimes, the ball seeks you out and you have to make the play, ready or not.

[Mini D]

First: Who does NK owe money and do those nations have veto power in the UN?

Second:  It would be nice if China resolved this situation.  Afterall, they are pretty much responsible for it.

Third: Under no condition should Japan be involved in anything Korean.  This would be akin to Israeli tanks accompanying U.S. tanks into Iraq.... only 10 times worse.

MiniD

[GrimCO]

Rude,

I concur...

I can't imagine NK bucking up against the world without some form of "enticement" from a larger power behind the scenes.

If China does have something to do with it, I believe they're only using NK as a pawn to test the powers that be. If things go badly however, I do believe they'd turn their back on NK in a heartbeat and activate plausible deniablity immediately...

I just have a funny feeling that NK is being prodded by someone who is telling them "they've got their back" behind the scenes.

Is it possible that Kim is just a raving lunatic with no sense of reality? Absolutely... But my gut tells me different.

[OIO]

"Sorry, this is a path we should not be taking, given our past history. We are guilty of what we did some 60 years ago, and should not be allowed to repeat it in anyway. Even if a missile is fired on us, we are not to invade the Korean peninsula ever again. Our only hope is to shoot it down before it reaches our soil. This is a price we have to pay for what we did during WW2."

That way of thinking lasts only as long as there's no missiles raining on your heads. by the 1st or the 2nd or 3rd rocket good ol' kim lobs over, the word "invade" will have a completely different meaning. Especially if this invasion party is done side-by-side with the US/UK+Commonwealth/S.Korea .

And frankly, I dont believe for a single second that the Japanese of today would ever repeat what they did back in WW2. Its a completely different society and times now.

Besides, the US tank crews could use some nose art lessons.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by GrimCO
Rude,

I concur...

I can't imagine NK bucking up against the world without some form of "enticement" from a larger power behind the scenes.

If China does have something to do with it, I believe they're only using NK as a pawn to test the powers that be. If things go badly however, I do believe they'd turn their back on NK in a heartbeat and activate plausible deniablity immediately...

I just have a funny feeling that NK is being prodded by someone who is telling them "they've got their back" behind the scenes.

Is it possible that Kim is just a raving lunatic with no sense of reality? Absolutely... But my gut tells me different.

I'd really have to think China would in no way want NK to have nukes either.  Right now, they are the big cheese in that region.

[FDutchmn]

Originally posted by OIO
That way of thinking lasts only as long as there's no missiles raining on your heads. by the 1st or the 2nd or 3rd rocket good ol' kim lobs over, the word "invade" will have a completely different meaning.

Please re-read my post again, this does not justify for us to kill another man.  As I said, this is western thinking.

Originally posted by OIO
Especially if this invasion party is done side-by-side with the US/UK+Commonwealth/S.Korea .

I do wish Japan will be fighting side-by-side with the South Koreans.  However, we are still addressing problems about comfort women for example.  Do you really think we can put our tanks on Korean soil?

Originally posted by OIO
And frankly, I dont believe for a single second that the Japanese of today would ever repeat what they did back in WW2. Its a completely different society and times now.

Please go research into what our governor of Tokyo says.  He is very charismatic, and frankly he is an effective politician.  His environmental policies are very good.  However, what he says militarily scares me.  Also, please go research into former Prime Minister Mori, who in my opinion is an embarrassment to our country and see what he said.  With these guys in power, do you think we will not be military state ever again?