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« Reply #150 on: April 30, 2003, 05:29:49 PM »
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« Reply #151 on: April 30, 2003, 05:37:40 PM »
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I apologize Martlet I was not aware that you could read my mind :rolleyes:

Im not anti american is that clear? Calling anyone who disagrees with something the US does anti american is ridiculeous. Almost everyone fits that description once in there life.

As for the questions, I did not have all the necesary info to make a judgment. I thought Powell was refering to France not being part of the coalition of the willing.


To those who throw insults, go right ahead, see if I care.:D


SLO is French canadian? Thats great :D


apology accepted, now you know.

Disagreeing with the US does not make you anti-american.  Many americans do that.  What DOES show you as anti-american, is when every single one of your posts and comments is whining about something america does.  

I'm still waiting for the day when one of these constant whiners makes a post about one of the many good things that originates here.

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« Reply #152 on: April 30, 2003, 06:41:55 PM »
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Short reasonning , and you forgive completly the reason why GB and France didn't do such an intervention : death toll of WWI was so hight that they were very reluctant to enter a war.

Except 3 27 and 27 april 1954 for example or Suez ...

To bad you chose to listen to only one voice.
Do you realy think we need to be erased from the map ?

should I recall that "Badiguet"(*) was a dictator ?



(*) Napoleon III


I understand why France and Britain were reluctant to take Hitler to task in the years immediately prior to invasion of Poland. Indeed, the loss of a considerable portion of an entire generation will certainly disuade a people from war (unless you were German, and were very angry at the circumstances and events immediately following the end of the war).

Personally, I have always enjoyed the French people. In my months of visiting France in the late 1970s, I found them generally friendly and helpful to an American struggling with the language and culture. I had several ancient French gentleman guide me around the battlefields at the Marne, Argonne and Chateau Thierry so that I could visit the actual locations where my Grandfather fought the "evil Hun" in WWI. To them, I am eternally grateful.

As to "French arrogance", I rarely saw any such behavior. Yes, I did experience some in cosmopolitan Paris, but I find the same thing in New York too. However, out in the countryside, people were helpful and generous.

I have no wish to see the relationship between America and France suffer. But, in point of fact, I have not had a favorable opinion of French Presidents going back to and including DeGaulle. However, I can isolate political leaders from the people in general. Likewise, most French citizens like Americans, even if they dislike our political leaders. Indeed, we are not that different in most respects.

Unfortunately, the political fallout stemming from the events leading up to the Iraqi war will be with us for some time. It should be understood by our European friends that Americans are quick to forgive a mistake, but have a very long memory for treachery, be it real or simply perceived. Either way, it may take years to undo the harm that has been done and soothe the bad feelings many Americans have towards the current French Government.

By the way, Napoleon III was certainly a dictator, but he was elected President only to dissolve the legislature and declare himself Emperor. There are some who might argue that Chirac has done France nearly as great a disservice. ;)

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« Reply #153 on: April 30, 2003, 07:26:26 PM »
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« Reply #154 on: April 30, 2003, 07:58:03 PM »
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Whining?????

I was just asking people to be civil.

I was asking for people to discuss instead of insulting each other?

If that makes me anti american then im proud of it.

I called anti french (narrow minded) those that insulted the french nation, not those who said they thought france had been wrong without insulting anyone (civil discussion).

I like a good discussion as much as anyone else, but I hate insult matches just as much.

I never said america as never done anything good. I never even came close to saying anything like that. Im glad Saddam is gone.

So stop putting words in my mouths.

And what group am I a part of anyway? You dont even know me.

I voiced my opinion, which is the point of these boards.
Some people use them to throw insults, I think thats a shame.
I think it show the bad side of humankind.


Didn't you say you were going to stop talking about that?

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« Reply #155 on: April 30, 2003, 10:32:05 PM »
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First, I never falsely pretended France was supporting terrorism.  I posted links showing where OTHER people showed France was supporting terrorism.  Ignoring it doesn't make it go away.

Second, HA!  I knew you couldn't resist reading my posts.  Keep it up, and you'll lose your coveted "ignored by" status.


Don't apologise martlet. You want to talk France and terrorism trying dropping these three words into a conversation with anyone french:

Rainbow

Warrior

Bomb

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« Reply #156 on: April 30, 2003, 10:34:08 PM »
vulcan.. of COURSE the french would attack a green peace vessel.

they needed a win.
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« Reply #157 on: April 30, 2003, 10:35:39 PM »
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vulcan.. of COURSE the french would attack a green peace vessel.

they needed a win.


LMAO.

Good thing it was at anchor.

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« Reply #158 on: April 30, 2003, 10:39:09 PM »
Ohhh thats low hang ;)

Oh, and Imp, in answer to your original post. Its a simple answer...


"if you want to talk the talk, be prepared to walk the walk".


France picked a fight with the big kid on the block, its not so much you're being punished rather you're losing the 'favours' you've had in the past. The US implements plenty of economic 'sanctions' on other countries (in NZ for example we get hit on steel, dairy, meat, and forestry products). Thats their right as a sovereign nation.

The funny thing was, if the word abstain was used instead of veto those arrogant French politicians wouldn't be in this position right now.

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« Reply #159 on: May 01, 2003, 12:27:51 AM »
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Tumor, when I say insult I mean the kind of crap that made HT post a sticky. HT knows that this game as an international player base.

This kind of horse **** as no place here or anywhere. Its racist crap. If I was French and saw these threads id be insulted.

I saw the same type of crap on Fighter Ace's newsgroup. Most boards seem to have this kind of stuff on it. Im really tired of it.

I believe people should be able to express themselves without being insulted. This is a discussion board not an insult board.

Im only asking peole to stop posting such crap.

I know its too much to ask people to act like respectable adults so Ill just stop posting about it.


One person's opinion can easily be considered an insult to another.  Besides... HTC decides who has what rights on this board.  Personally, I find quite a number of "personalities" on this bbs an insult to the intelligence of humanity... so I ignore them.  Why not edit your ignore list before you try and tell people what they should or should not say?
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« Reply #160 on: May 01, 2003, 12:31:33 AM »
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As for Bush: If he had earned is position I would respect him alot more. Without is dad he would not be where he is right now.

I know it, you know it, he knows it,  everybody knows it.



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« Reply #161 on: May 01, 2003, 06:10:49 AM »
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« Reply #162 on: May 01, 2003, 06:23:56 AM »
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You just cant have a civil discussion on these boards it seems. I just thought it would be nice to discuss instead of throwing insults.

Poof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Lets see... you call the Americans hypocrites, bullies, and insult their president.

And then you whine you can't have a civil discussion?

Ummm OK... pot... meet the kettle.

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« Reply #163 on: May 01, 2003, 06:57:32 AM »
@Widewing : I agree mostly with your post ,especially when you  make a distingo between the people and their representant ,I generally try to do the same

Btw Arrogant and Parisian are synonymous :)

What was the US reaction when de Gaulle chose to left (partially) NATO ?
I ask this question because  the french bashing we have seen since 2 month look un-natural and far from being spontaneous for me ...
it look so  "Murdoch" that I'm trying to figure were the propaganda start ..



@Martlet : I dunno if you've posted something for me ,you are back to the limbo.

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« Reply #164 on: May 01, 2003, 07:29:47 AM »
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Lets see... you call the Americans hypocrites, bullies, and insult their president.

And then you whine you can't have a civil discussion?

Ummm OK... pot... meet the kettle.


Insulting him wasnt my intent, I was just saying he got there through influence. Thats a problem with politics though, not Bush.
I shouldnt have aimed it at Bush. Sorry if I offended anyone.
I guess I just dont like politics and politicians.
Unfortunately we cant live without them :(


I said it looked hypocritical, I thought they were going to put sanctions on france for not joining the coalition of the willing. I did not know it was a response to Chirac's apparent threat towards some countries trying to join the EU. Chirac made a big mistake with that statement. Powell's threat seemed justified. I already said that.

I did not say you were all hypocrites or bullies. I did not understand the entire situation. I asked those questions because I was trying to understand your (US) position.

So calm down. Take a deep breath.

Not everyone on these boards uses english everyday.
I sure dont. Sometimes I write things the wrong way.
My english needs alot of work.