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« on: April 26, 2003, 11:10:20 AM »
1. Why France is facing US sanction for not joining the coalition of the "Willing"?

If they take actions against France then they are coercing them to do what they want. Thats against youre country's constitution which gives every man the right to his opinions and to choose what he wants to do without anyone pressuring him.

Why arent the French given that right? (I know they arent american citizens.)


2. What gives President Bush the right to make other countries do what he wants them to do by force?


3. Why arent Germany, Russia and other countries who didnt join getting the same treatment.


You guys claim to be for freedom but you dont give the freedom to choose to your allies.

Thats sounds hypocritical from where I sit.

Just something to think about. You can disagree you you want just please dont post personnal attacks (they will be ignored or ridiculed).

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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2003, 11:31:33 AM »
we do it because the zenophobic french are fun to pick on.

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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2003, 11:43:51 AM »
1) You are confusing your right to freedom of speech with freedom from responsibility for that speech. To suggest that France should maintain a "most favored nation" status in light of its opposition to the goals of America is to suggest you should bear no responsibility for the decisions you make as a nation.

2) It's generally established GWB started a precedent with the Iraqi invasion. However, Saddam Hussien was a brutal dictator who had to go, in the opinion of the vast majority of America. Agree or disagree, I'm personally glad America is the dominant military power in the world today. Who would you prefer the dominant military power to be- Russia? France? China? Germany, again?

3) What exactly has America done to France on an official basis? Have we instituted trade sanctions? For that matter, what the hell do we owe you? Nothing. If Americans choose not to buy French products or visit Paris then that's OUR freedom of choice. You have proven yourselves to be Anti American in the opinions of many Americans- why should we allow you to benefit off our dollars?

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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2003, 12:09:59 PM »
On 3 particularly, while Germany's hands are even dirtier than france's in the "support Saddam for oil" axis, it was France that stated it would outright veto any resolution.

Germany is given somewhat of a pass because given their history a reluctance to use military force is understandable (I guess it should be understandable in France's case too, just for different reasons).

Russia firstly is only recently on warm terms with the west, so we don't hold them to as high a standard we would 'old friends.'  Secondly, they have not mixed words about the reasons they are reluctant to remove Saddam, they at least readily admit it's oil.
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2003, 12:43:18 PM »
i.e. we have childish vindictive propagandists running our government. personally cant wait till they are gone.


alot of Americans dont approve of the war and wont be labeled traitors or whatever the new age facsists are labeling dissent this week. how they got to power is another long fought thing but one thing is for sure more Americans wanted the other guy, keep that in mind.

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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2003, 12:50:11 PM »
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i.e. we have childish vindictive propagandists running our government. personally cant wait till they are gone.


alot of Americans dont approve of the war and wont be labeled traitors or whatever the new age facsists are labeling dissent this week. how they got to power is another long fought thing but one thing is for sure more Americans wanted the other guy, keep that in mind.


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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2003, 12:57:08 PM »
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1. Why France is facing US sanction for not joining the coalition of the "Willing"?

If they take actions against France then they are coercing them to do what they want. Thats against youre country's constitution which gives every man the right to his opinions and to choose what he wants to do without anyone pressuring him.

Why arent the French given that right? (I know they arent american citizens.)


2. What gives President Bush the right to make other countries do what he wants them to do by force?


3. Why arent Germany, Russia and other countries who didnt join getting the same treatment.


You guys claim to be for freedom but you dont give the freedom to choose to your allies.

Thats sounds hypocritical from where I sit.

Just something to think about. You can disagree you you want just please dont post personnal attacks (they will be ignored or ridiculed).


1) Because the French roll over and play dead more times than Rin Tin Tin. It's just fun to watch them.

2) See answer 1

3) They might actually fight back.
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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2003, 01:06:34 PM »
Regards to #1.  France, if they are punished, wll be punished not for refusing to join the coalition, but for their overt actions to thwart the U.S. in the UN.

You can ignore Dorf Vader, his voice is that of the uninformed few who simply need osmething to cry about.  His comments are not based inanything approaching fact.
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2003, 01:50:10 PM »
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1) You are confusing your right to freedom of speech with freedom from responsibility for that speech. To suggest that France should maintain a "most favored nation" status in light of its opposition to the goals of America is to suggest you should bear no responsibility for the decisions you make as a nation.

2) It's generally established GWB started a precedent with the Iraqi invasion. However, Saddam Hussien was a brutal dictator who had to go, in the opinion of the vast majority of America. Agree or disagree, I'm personally glad America is the dominant military power in the world today. Who would you prefer the dominant military power to be- Russia? France? China? Germany, again?

3) What exactly has America done to France on an official basis? Have we instituted trade sanctions? For that matter, what the hell do we owe you? Nothing. If Americans choose not to buy French products or visit Paris then that's OUR freedom of choice. You have proven yourselves to be Anti American in the opinions of many Americans- why should we allow you to benefit off our dollars?


1. Im not saying you should like them, im saying you have no right
to put sanctions on them for deciding not to join. They are a democracy, they can choose what they want to do. No country as any right to tell them what they should do. Thats what democracy is all about, FREEDOM. Freedom to choose religion, to have opinion of your own without anyone pressuring you. If the US uses sanction against France then they are pressuring them to not go against them in the future. Its like a bully that takes your lunch money in school, only alot bigger.

2. I never said I liked Saddam, im glad hes gone. I dont care for dominant power much, I prefer equality. Dominance tends to make one arrogant.

3. Powell stated in an interview that France would face sanction.
Hes america's chief diplomat, so he knows.


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Thats not right either since the French have the right to veto if they want to. UN gave them that right, now you got to respect it, plain and simple. Even if you dont like it. I dont like how veto works, but you dont see me complaining about it everywhere.

France should have to right to choose there own path just like US as. You cant say we are for freedom and then sanction someone for using that freedom. Its hypocritical.

If I came to these boards and said someone was a cheater for doing something, and someone showed proof I was doing the same, youd probably call me hypocritical. Thats basically what im saying.

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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2003, 02:02:58 PM »
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3. Powell stated in an interview that France would face sanction.
Hes america's chief diplomat, so he knows.




WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell has warned that France will face consequences for having opposed the United States over war in Iraq.


consequences are not sanctions.

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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2003, 02:37:29 PM »
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Originally posted by Imp
1. Why France is facing US sanction for not joining the coalition of the "Willing"?

If they take actions against France then they are coercing them to do what they want. Thats against youre country's constitution which gives every man the right to his opinions and to choose what he wants to do without anyone pressuring him.

Why arent the French given that right? (I know they arent american citizens.)


2. What gives President Bush the right to make other countries do what he wants them to do by force?


3. Why arent Germany, Russia and other countries who didnt join getting the same treatment.


You guys claim to be for freedom but you dont give the freedom to choose to your allies.

Thats sounds hypocritical from where I sit.

Just something to think about. You can disagree you you want just please dont post personnal attacks (they will be ignored or ridiculed).



1. France didn't just dissagree with the coalition, they activley campained to undermine it, which is their right to do . America also has a right to choose who it does business with. What's your point exactly?

2. What is America forcing France to do?

3. Because it was France that was sending diplomats to other countries trying to get them to undermine the coalition.

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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2003, 02:52:01 PM »
real simple..

We are free to buy what we want...

We have chosen to send France a message..FU..you are dirtbag scum with no morals or guts.

You are greedy little batsards that want the sun to always shine on you..guess what...


I am an American...The majority of my friends and family are American.. We will not buy French stuff anymore..

Very Simple..And I see it is working...Maybe next time Your Gov wont side with money and the pompous attaitude you have towards our Country..

And whats funny is you guys have had this attitude well before this War...Common knowledge That there is a large group of French citizens that treat Americans with Disdain...

I think its disgusting and will never spend money on France..----EXCEPt to visit our fallen soldiers and to tour Military -Monuments to the World Wars...I will then proceed to the Eifel Tower and take a Shiitte on it...

I wont answer the rest of this stuff cause its crap..GWB is forcing other countries to go along?? LMFAo...You with USA or with Terroists..you decide..

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You guys claim to be for freedom but you dont give the freedom to choose to your allies.


LMFAO..who the hell are you talking about...



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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2003, 02:58:42 PM »
I'm curious, at what point exactly has this percieved bullying even remotely approached Chirac's (albiet impotent) threat to block countries from EU expansion for their support of the US?

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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2003, 03:16:02 PM »
The current US government is "The Bunch of Evil".

They can do what they want now, blackmailing, put sanctions on other nations or just go to war with them, if they like .

Their right to do all this is the fact that US is the last superpower.

If they feel like they will squeeze all they want out of any other nation with all their WMDs and their economy.

After Soviet Union had vanished there is a power vacuum.

The right way would have been to developp international law with International Court Den Haag, an improved UN and such.

That would have been costs decades but would have been worthy.

Current US government has decided the other,- the bad way.

"Lets get as far as possible for OUR very own interests" : That is the slogan they follow. "We are the new Rom"

Bye, bye free world.


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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2003, 03:37:40 PM »
Nice list of quotes you copied all together there, but is there an answer to the question?