Hunh. I used to think we were on the 'right' side.. you know; the 'good guys'.
I doubt anyone sane is arguing the allied side wasn't the "good guys". My intention with this discussion wasn't to dispute this, but rather have a more balanced look at the LW and its efforts.
We didn't start the fight. We didn't wanna be there. It was a 'european war'.
Again, this is not what I wish to discuss. You are right, of course, but this is a tangent discussion
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So; suprise of surprises; we get into a european war via the drop of some bombs on the 7th fleet in the pacific. Who'd a guessed?
And we're all glad you did. Also glad you had a competent president who weren't much for isolationism. Why can't you find such a man again, instead of Bussssh and Grwaorgh?
Anyway; once it was over; rather than loading the defeated nations military; it's officers; it's politicians; it's educated citizens and their leading industrialists into boxcars and giving them a taste of their own justice we
instead gave them back their nations; allowed them to re-establish their rights as free citizens and paid for the rebuilding of their countrys.
Well, I guess we all learned from the Versailles peace and wanted a stable, prosperous Europe. One the US could offload its industrial capacity on. Marshall help was a stroke of genius; borrow money to Europeans so they can buy stuff produced by the *massive* American industry. All parts win.
Not to mention the cold war... if not for us; they'd be speakin Russian from Ireland to South Africa.
Maybe, maybe not. But to say you did it out of pure good will is erroneous; the US had and has a huge stake in a stable, democratic Europe. Much like in the Gulf war, the fact that there are other benefits than the obvious (such as ousting a dictator and "liberating" a country) is a quite neato thingie.
And we have been hated ever since. 'Opportunists' is the kindest of labels we bear. They bristile when we suggest that fighting for an evil system; a society that burns books; a race of people and preaches 'Master Race' and anounces it's intention to deny a free people of another Nation of it's rights could be construed as being a 'nazi'.
I don't hate Americans. I just find them to be ugly opportunists who are ignorant and uneducated gun toting right wing fascists
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Hmmmmmm; maybe we made a mistake...
Yeah, would be nice to have Europe, China, the Soviet Union plus various satellite state as enemies
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As far as this thread being uncomfortable to some; my apologies. It seems such topics draw me in for some reason. As far as it being superfluous, unneeded and without result, I heartily disagree. As long as it remains a discussion and not a stick-to-yer-guns type *argument*, it is worth my time.
And, finally, I am quite capable of deciding whether it is a waste of *my* time myself
. To you, a waste, to me, interesting.
And, thanks a great deal to American intervention, this is a right and how it is
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Back to topic: we've seen some posts dealing with how the LW was not a butcher force, and some supporting anecdotes. Is there any suggesting it was actively working to buy time for the Holocaust and not really interested in defending the Fatherland?
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