Author Topic: Trinity curse (Read 5657 times)

AKcurly · « **Reply #15 on:** May 01, 2003, 12:59:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad

This type of gameplay is EXACTLY what is currently turning me off in AH, a game I used to love as my favorite form of recreation.

Hey Toad.

I came to Aces High maybe 3 years ago from a WW1 environment. I still remember DJ, Wabbit and SeaWulfe all yelling at me: "Don't climb towards a higher plane." I mention this because the 13th TAS were very good at giving me free lessons in the evils of climbing towards a higher plane.

Toad, I know of no squad in Aces High that exceeds the 13th TAS in cooperative tactics. 2-3 years ago, I never saw you guys involved in base capture. Rather, you would pick a field at random, fly there with some altitude and challenge the field below you to come up and fight.

You know how Aces High works ... put 7 planes over a field and there's a big green bar; soon, there's a big red bar, then a bigger green bar and so on.

Within 20 minutes or so, you guys would still be at 15k, no ammo and 6 kills each. And then you would fly home.

Why not divorce yourself from fiield captures? Why not say "I'm going to do what is fun."

I guess I'm not sure I understand why you feel compelled to participate in base capture. Trinity is a beautiful map and it is ideally suited for your tactics of years past -- tactics that you guys obviously enjoyed.

curly

Toad · « **Reply #16 on:** May 01, 2003, 07:12:25 AM »

Curly, perhaps my post isn't clear.

We don't do base captures; we've never really been a "strat" squad. Oh, we'll help out and we do it now and then but basically, we're a fighter squad. We look for other groups of fighters to fight.

What I'm saying is I really don't care to participate in the 50 plane steamroller campaigns. It quickly ends up with six guys all chasing the same enemy. Being on either end of that doesn't really interest me. Then on to the next base, either on offense or defense, and do it all over again.

Seems like that's what the game has become.

Which is fine for those that like it. As I said, I realize the problem is in myself.

Even trying to stay out of the steamroller's path, either way offense or defense, there's the problem of porked fuel. Trinity with its big spread in fields can be very limiting to the early war half of the planeset once some "building battler" (as Laz puts it) knocks the fuel down at the bases on the FEBA.

Used to be you could fly a goon in and get things going again but with the new "big map, slow plane, fly a goon all night to build up the fuel" system, What's it take now, 4 trips in a goon to build the fuel up to 50 at a porked base? I (my problem again) don't feel like flying a goon for an hour to get the fuel up so I can then fly a slow fighter to the fight.

Last night was squad night; we spent the whole time in the DA, upping from the same field and hassling. Most fun I've personally had in a long time in the AH venue. I think the other guys enjoyed it as well.

That'll last for a while.

lazs2 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 01, 2003, 08:11:11 AM »

Ya know... it occurs to me that the fields are too far apart. I bet that if we had about 30 more CV groups and ports it would be better too.

course... if steamrolling or getting steamrolled is your idea of great strat... or if you need two sectors to get alt in your clumsy allmost a perk plane or... if the excitement of fighting a dozen of your own countrymen to get to that lone con that yu see every 20 minutes is allmost too much for you... then, you will love infinity.

just a thought..
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Grimm · « **Reply #18 on:** May 01, 2003, 12:18:07 PM »

Boy some of you guys must be spoiled.....

We now have complaints of maps taking upwards of week to reset ...

I remember flying for "Years" in the Big Pork in AW... no map rotation, then finnaly we got monthly rotation and that was followed by complaints of a rotation...

I guess folks just cant be pleased.

Iv no problem with Maps that take some work to reset... I do like trinity and Im not a fan of Pizza... But Ill play no matter what ground is under my wings.

AKcurly · « **Reply #19 on:** May 01, 2003, 01:20:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Curly, perhaps my post isn't clear.

Ok, Toad, thanks. But, isn't it rare for the distance between the front and a healthy BIshop base to exceed 3 sectors? Why not up in a group and fly towards the front? You'll be a big blob on their radar and one of two things will happen: 1) You will be intercepted or 2) You won't be and you'lll be over one of their bases. In either event, you'll be in the type of fight you like. Now Lazs, well, he'll have to locate a prairie dog town to find his favorite fight.

curly

Fariz · « **Reply #20 on:** May 01, 2003, 04:11:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Grimm
Boy some of you guys must be spoiled.....

We now have complaints of maps taking upwards of week to reset ...

I remember flying for "Years" in the Big Pork in AW... no map rotation, then finnaly we got monthly rotation and that was followed by complaints of a rotation...

I guess folks just cant be pleased.

Iv no problem with Maps that take some work to reset... I do like trinity and Im not a fan of Pizza... But Ill play no matter what ground is under my wings.

It was a time when people walked all the way from their caves to the river to get some water, but no one expect you do the same nowadays

If there is a chance for something better, why to remember how bad it was? One of AH advantages is a map diversity, and trinity makes is less interesting. Some maps are reset too fast, some takes longer. Mechanism which can make map time more ballanced will be nice.

Toad · « **Reply #21 on:** May 01, 2003, 04:33:50 PM »

As I mentioned, Curly, I know the fault is within me.

As I have gotten busier in my personal life, I have gotten more impatient in my "gaming" life.

I never did like flying 3 sectors to the fight but I tagged along to humor Rude. We finally got him into furballing and life was good.

Now I find I just don't have the patience; as I drone along I hear all my other duties and obligations nagging at me.

OTOH, in the DA last night with all the whirling, swirling and shooting going on constantly, I couldn't hear anything but the sound of the guns.

As I said, I know it's my problem. I no longer fit the template here I think. I love the CV fights, but they never last long. Ah, well... it's just life.

Replicant · « **Reply #22 on:** May 01, 2003, 04:39:23 PM »

In AH the number of terrains have developed. Once upon a time we just had beta... then the SFTERR... then the modified beta AND SFTERR... then we got more and more and yet each terrain would last an entire month before resetting to another map. It was changed so that each time a terrain resets it also changes the terrain to keep the variation up.

I don't think we're being spoiled - the Trinity terrain takes so long to reset it is actually in rotation for about 3 - 3 1/2 weeks every month! This purely goes against the variation of terrains that was originally intended. Take the Uterus map for instance. This is my favourite terrain but it gets reset in under a day. Sometimes I don't get to see it for a couple of months!

Revvin · « **Reply #23 on:** May 01, 2003, 04:52:18 PM »

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Replicant · « **Reply #24 on:** May 01, 2003, 05:03:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Revvin
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I take it Revvin likes Trinity only!

RightF00T · « **Reply #25 on:** May 01, 2003, 06:48:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Revvin
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Expected response from a building battler.

SELECTOR · « **Reply #26 on:** May 02, 2003, 03:23:17 AM »

i hate trinity map, it makes me turn off...but on the other hand im sure some love it.. but the fact is the numbers playing fall when trin is on..im not one for saying dump it in the trash, but put a 48 hr time limit on it and i will be delighted..

Zanth · « **Reply #27 on:** May 02, 2003, 08:38:45 AM »

I was looking at the Trinity map last night while climbing out. While I was looking around the map it occurs to me that the zone capital bases may be too well protected.

Added later: (I don't mind flying on Trinity. My play sessions are never long enough to ever see any map reset anyway)

JB42 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 02, 2003, 08:50:01 AM »

Seems to me I remember not too long ago when Pizza first came out, these same comments were expressed. Yet in the end, AHers found away to reset Pizza relatively quickly. Now another larger map comes along and instead of finding a way to reset it, people just start complaining.

rc51 · « **Reply #29 on:** May 02, 2003, 09:37:42 AM »

I have a box of kleenex ix you need it.