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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2001, 06:00:00 PM »
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Split-S...this was nearly impossible at low speeds because I would stall once in inverted dive and the plane would roll making it impossible to stay inverted and I would get into a vicious circle of stlling, trying to stay inverted and gain speed but cant due to rolling over...etc...

Gotta wonder what "low speeds" you are talking about.  You should not be stalling in a split-s unless somehow you think you should have complete elevator authority at 20 IAS.

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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2001, 07:09:00 PM »
I'm sorry you didnt find what you were looking for with AH FlyingDuck, and I hope that maybe Playnet/CRS can step up to the plate for you with WWIIOL. WarBirds, AH, WWIIOL, are all great games run by good people, and all have positives and negative attributes. Each offer different strokes for different folks.

No matter what these yahoo's say, email ANY of the Rats and they will be more than happy to help you out.

Until then, heres a little something to tide you over, compliments of one of the other WWIIOL players, Bushman.

Enjoy!
"The Battle"

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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2001, 07:18:00 PM »
FWIW-

Before you buy WWIIO check with someone you know and trust that owns the game. Talk him/her into letting you try it out for a bit on their rig. Take note of the specs of the rig and the performance he/she is getting. With luck, your friend will know very well how to get the most out of his/her rig, and you will see a decent game- at times. If not...

The game is a good concept with poor execution, pure and simple. You should try it and judge for yourself of course, but you should be warned going in you need at least 512MB of RAM and a good video card to make it run acceptably (and barely then).

You should also know there is a core of users that will tear your head off if you ever post anything like what you did above. I may not agree with everything you said here but I can see that you took the time to focus your thinking on the subject and can respect that- hey, this game ain't for everyone. You will not get that consideration over there- don't say I didn't warn you!  :p

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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2001, 07:39:00 PM »
FlyingDuckSittingSwan...com'on man, no wonder people weren't so quick to offer anything but a grin......who wants to say that nick, they probably didn't take you seriously after seeing it, but... the Rooks are a great bunch of people<G>.  The MA is really an all out "shoot down the enemy" arena.  Lots of great squads in there, and if you stick around long enough, and get to know some of the people, you might be invited into a squad....or maybe not.   :D
I haven't flown a WWII combat fighter airplane yet either.  I have flown a lot of civilian airplanes, and what I have found is the manuver sequence, like anything flying,  is fighting gravity, and is usually botched by the pilot and not by the airplane.  Setting the correct speed of airplane when entering the manuver usually is the key.  Well, have a great time in WWIIonline.  I don't think most will miss you, but if you come back, that's ok too.  ;)  Give us an update on WWIIOL also.

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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2001, 07:42:00 PM »
I regularly do barrel rolls in combat when it suits my purpose.  Your not going to get full stick deflection without completely stalling your a/c unless you really turn down your stick inputs in setup.  The reason your stalling during split S's is that you are pulling back too hard on the stick and putting your a/c into accelerated stalls.  As for e-bleed, well except one plane in particlular that we know of as being pretty well porked (nik) on the other side of the spectrum I'd have to say HTC is probably not too far off the mark.
      I own and subscribe to wwii online, have for the last few months.  Just recently had to install a new hd into my system and while I can say that I've reloaded everything I had on the old drive the one thing I never bothered to re-install was WWII Online, even though I'm still paying for it.  It's just not done well at all. It falls well short in every mark.

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...for now. This game is good, don;t get me wrong, but I want to try WW2online before I make a choice.

Major gripes:

1) Would have liked to see more team play. If you're not in a squad then you have it bad. And I'm hardly going to join a squad during my 2 weeks!! I wish more people would participate and work and help each other rather than "don't steal my kills...boo hoo!". I was in Knights for most of my 2 weeks and some of us were exchanging info on where best to help out when one of the vets (I assume he was a vet by his good rank) told me to "shut up" and everyone to do what they want to in the game. Nice. Not! (you know who you are). I reminded the "clever" person he was on the team chat channel and why was he listening if he didn't want to be part of a team, anyway? Duh!
I later changed to rooks. Much nicer people in general and the vets (I presume they were, by their rank) were really organizing things well.

2) People calling non-existent 6 calls... Some may have been mistakes, but some weren't FOR SURE. I don't mind people getting in on my dog fight and getting the kill (I like the help, anyway), but those cheap tricks are lame.

3) Not enough info on who wins the war. There was one reset and nothing was said about the outcome. Disappointing.

4) The flight model. Although in general good, I just think they bleed way too much E too fast. I couldn't do a proper barrel roll (not aileron roll!!) because I would be at stalling speed by the time I entered the 2nd. And...before you say...barrel roll, hah, easy...how come I never saw one person do it in combat? Also other basic moves I found really difficult. Split-S...this was nearly impossible at low speeds because I would stall once in inverted dive and the plane would roll making it impossible to stay inverted and I would get into a vicious circle of stlling, trying to stay inverted and gain speed but cant due to rolling over...etc...

5) The engine noise would stay the same no matter the AoA, speed etc... (minor gripe this one)

6) Something else about the flight model...the planes (fighters)were really hard to get under 100 mph..for example when landing, I like to flare at the bottom, like you normally would but I was always forced to land nose down because as soon as I flared the plane would start climbing instead of losing altitude and speed...it could never go below the critical speed to get it to stall ten feet above runway!!!

Those are my major gripes. Things I like about this game are the amount of planes....i loved the choice I had. I also liked seeing Hitech flying with us. Very cool. And the maps. That mountainous was was really nice. Nice maps. Excellent FPS in this game.

As soon as I try WW2 online I'll make my decision.

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« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2001, 07:48:00 PM »
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...except one plane in particlular that we know of as being pretty well porked (nik)...
 :confused:

What is wrong with it and who is the "we" that "knows" about it?

I take it that you weren't happy with HTC's fix to the N1K2 FM.
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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2001, 08:41:00 PM »
I dont see why people are so sensitive. I am saying this game is great, but I'm going to try out WW2Online and see later on. I might subscribe to both. I just wrote what I honestly didn't like about the game and some things I thought strange, but there were many things I really liked about the game too which i left out...like the weather effects. Wow. I love it. And the maps. I like to sight-see when I fly sometimes and the mountainous map was lovely.

AK Dejavu...the speeds I'm talking about are anywhere from 150 mph to 180. I may be mistaken, but I thought split-s's were slow speed maneuvers anyway? The point is too change to opposite direction quickly, not to get to sea level. No?
my split-s goes like this..
Invert...
Start pulling back on stick...
Nose gets to about 60 degree angle of attack (inverted remember)
Starts to stall...
Wing over stall...
No E....
Have to abort...

Thing that bugs me is that the plane doesn't pick up E quick enough when I go inverted and AoA is nose down. Yes, maybe I could do it more shallow, but that wouldn't be a split-s if I lost 7k and took me 5 minutes just for that manuever now, would it? I tried various power settings too. Maybe it's just me....    :confused:

Thorns, FlyingDuckSittingSwan is just for the message boards. I had a "normal"    :D one in-game.

p.s. I checked my stats...and I shot down a 262 and a couple of those arado...jet bomber thingies. Not bad for a noob...go on, admit it! hehe  :D   :D

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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2001, 09:41:00 PM »
MAN I FEEL YOUR PAIN  :D .... at least with the whole split "S" barrel roll thing.  But trust me you can do those manuevers at even much lower speeds than you mentioned.  I know this because at first I couldn't keep the planes in the air flying level...I would stall and lawn dart every time I touched the stick.....Now I can perform nearly any move at any speed...sometimes texbook quality, other times pretty shaky but its exactly how Thorns described it, pilot not plane.

If you are ever in doubt about the capability of ACM in this game just get on leviathn's six and try and stay there.   :D  Doing this myself many times (and ending up dead) I have now mastered a few excellent manuevers at below 100mph <--- didn't think they were even possible until a few weeks ago and I've been playing this game 2 years!

OK OK so I suck and everybody knows I'm a lousy shot but what I can't do...others seem to do very well.   :D  Just takes a lot of practice I guess.  The idea is to make it challenging so by the time you amster the moves you will be a AH junkie!!  he he he

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« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2001, 10:18:00 PM »
Two things came to mind while reading your post.

1) You are probably applying too much pressure to the elevator controls, or moving the control too fast. Any time you exceed an angle-of-attack in excess of 18 degrees to the relative air flow (usually referred to as relative wind, but I think that would confuse most people), you are going to stall.

2) I agree about ground effect. There also isn't any downwash, which you should be thankful for.

When you get back look up 'forward slip' on the web. That move will help you get things sorted out for landing. As of now this sim is very forgiving of this manuever, so go at it with gusto!  :)

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« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2001, 10:21:00 PM »
If you need help with the flying or the game, there are plenty of us willing to help you.  Just ask, we will give you all the help you need.

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« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2001, 10:22:00 PM »
Then it's me that can't fly.   :D I thought so.
Thanks for all the responses guys. And thanks for the link GunFighter. You'll all probably see me again quite soon, anyway. I'll probably be subscribing to both as soon as I get my brand spanking new l33t computer. Its about the same money as 3 pizzas a month...thats not bad. Or about a 5 pack pair of briefs. Or taking out a cheap date (with probably no nookie afterwards). Or filling my car up 3 quarters of the way. Or a cheap pair of jeans. Or an even cheaper pair of shoes. Whatever way you look at it, playing AH and WW2Online doesn't cost that much. But then again I dont have a wife or kids to support. YES!!! I feel lucky.   :p   :p   :D I can blow my hard earned wherever I want. hahha...I knew there was a reason for not using deoderant before a date.  :cool:

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« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2001, 10:40:00 PM »
For what it's worth, since I'm no good at AH.

You won't get a barrel roll by holding the stick at a rear/side position. You will more likely get a roll into lawn dart type thingie. And the stall should be no surprise. Like an aileron roll, you must constantly adjust your control surfaces while the plane rolls. And I think full back deflection should result in a stall.

I don't understand why the split s does what you say. But I had a similar problem at one time. My game controllers didn't seem to work. I couldn't make any moves, other than a shallow bank turn, in any plane without getting the stall buzzer and a snap roll. Everyone was turning circles around me... literally. So I quit for a while. When I tried it again, all was much better. So, just for the hell of it, uninstall AH and remove/reinstall your game controllers. Calibrate your joystick in Windows and then reinstall AH. (You should have rebooted your PC at least once durig this.)

If you stick is too sensitive, tone it down by scaling and damping in AH setup. Remember, you must do this for each control surface separately and use the Apply Settings for each.

The only other thing I can think of is, don't force the planes to do anything. You should guide them instead. It's like there is a small delay when you move the stick. As the plane starts to respond, give it some more input. Like in the split s, your hand should be gradually pulling the stick back as your plane swings low and back up. Then relax it slowly rather than sudden, you will have less plane wobble that way. Don't force the stick, nudge it.

Happy skies,

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« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2001, 11:28:00 PM »
FlyingDuck... e-bleed... is non existant in ww2ol
stukas can loop all day

it won't be the flight portion that will keep u in ww2ol if at all
its an awesome tank sim tho +)
I was on the server during a night battle on the outskirts of a town, i was on the defending team.  It gets DARK in ww2ol, and i was an infantry and man, the flashes the tracers the sounds were awesome prone in the middle of it all.


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« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2001, 12:00:00 AM »
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...for now. This game is good, don;t get me wrong, but I want to try WW2online before I make a choice.

Major gripes:

1) Would have liked to see more team play. If you're not in a squad then you have it bad. And I'm hardly going to join a squad during my 2 weeks!! I wish more people would participate and work and help each other rather than "don't steal my kills...boo hoo!". I was in Knights for most of my 2 weeks and some of us were exchanging info on where best to help out when one of the vets (I assume he was a vet by his good rank) told me to "shut up" and everyone to do what they want to in the game. Nice. Not! (you know who you are). I reminded the "clever" person he was on the team chat channel and why was he listening if he didn't want to be part of a team, anyway? Duh!
I later changed to rooks. Much nicer people in general and the vets (I presume they were, by their rank) were really organizing things well.


Not to pick on you, did you spend ANY time in the training room?  I know I, for I, despise newbies that sign on for their two-week trial and pollute the buffer with "HOW DO I LAND" or "HOW DO I BOMB" and other stupid things people learn to do by either a) reading the online help AND/OR b) spending some time in the training room with the excellent trainers.

We've got a lotta new guys in lately, yourself included.  Nice to have you aboard, but don't expect the community, who pays to be and play there, to educate you every step of the way...help along, yes.

That's my 2 cents, enjoy WW2OL...I think you'll prefer Aces High and its less-than-Cray-SuperComputer-Requirements tho!

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« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2001, 12:32:00 AM »
more then likely he has no rudder pedals or doesn't use rudder input and simply "stick stirs" through the roll.

How ever if anything AH fm has more "e" retension then any other mmpog flight sim.

(maybe not more then fa or rr aw)

the only way I get kills in a g6 is to barrel roll both to keep from overshooting and to cause an overshoot with out giving up too muck e.

wwiiol well .......... see for urself.

Your for a rude awakening if you think you'll go into wwiiol and find a "team experience".

No offense it mostly new guys that get on country channel and gripe about team work and they usaully go outa there way to tell you how "team work" should be done. "Follow me.........team?"

we aint a team just a bunch of individuals tryin to have fun.