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Offline FlyingDuckSittingSwan

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« Reply #75 on: November 25, 2001, 04:25:00 PM »
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Think about it...

In the search for realism, is it more likely that a game that allows you to fly like an ace "in a few minutes" is more <ahem, I HATE to use this word> "realistic" than a game that takes quite a bit of practice before you become proficient?

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Well Toady, think it through. My first flight sim I played years ago, I was crap and couldn't even take off. The second one I played I was better because, yes, it was different from the first, but had a lot of similarities. And so on. So now, if I buy a new flight sim, considering the makers and developers made a decent flight model, I'll be able to fly it because, how many ways are there you can make an accurate flight model? Not many. It's either accurate or it isn't.
But, then you get a game which is similar in most respects but has some really strange happenings in certain situations.
It's the same with driving a car. I've driving loads of different cars. Sporty, lux, high powered or slow diesel sh*t bucket...doesn't matter. I can drive it well after a few minutes. But, give me a car with dodgy steering and i'll never get used to it...unless I really take it for a long drive.

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« Reply #76 on: November 25, 2001, 04:56:00 PM »
A good scientist takes the time to do proper research before posting definitive findings. I spent five months formulating my opinion on the other sim. You've spent two weeks. Who has blinders on?

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« Reply #77 on: November 25, 2001, 05:03:00 PM »
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...give me a car with dodgy steering and i'll never get used to it...unless I really take it for a long drive.

Drive a car with dodgy steering for 10 years then jump into one with good steering.  I guarantee you'll have problems driving it.

Food for thought hmmm?

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« Reply #78 on: November 25, 2001, 05:06:00 PM »
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AK Dejavu...the speeds I'm talking about are anywhere from 150 mph to 180. I may be mistaken, but I thought split-s's were slow speed maneuvers anyway? The point is too change to opposite direction quickly, not to get to sea level. No?

Maybe you are thinking immelman?  Split-s goes down.. you accelerate through it... it is a slower way to reverse.  An immelman is faster, though you are slower after the maneuver.

As for the rest of your stuff.. you are simply trolling for reaction now.  I particularly like your car driving analogy.  I could drive virtually any car and actually think I knew how it handled... until I needed to push it to the extreme.  That takes practice regardless.  Its not the similarities that matter... its the differences.

I strongly suggest you move back to all those other sims that musta had it right.  Time to real in the line and head back to the place where you don't hide under anonymity.

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« Reply #79 on: November 25, 2001, 05:19:00 PM »
Kieran...not only am I not a "good scientist" but...I'm not even a scientist!! I never said I was...
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AKdejavu...no...i know the difference between an Imm and a split-s, thanx.
You don't sound like a very good car driver. I can master a car to the extreme (which is the only way I drive anyway   :D ) about 5 minutes after I jump in. But that's just me...I dunno.
 
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I strongly suggest you move back to all those other sims that musta had it right. Time to real in the line and head back to the place where you don't hide under anonymity.

AKDejaVu

 

What the hell are you talking about? Are you slightly paranoid by any chance?

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« Reply #80 on: November 25, 2001, 06:44:00 PM »
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. I can master a car to the extreme (which is the only way I drive anyway  ) about 5 minutes after I jump in. But that's just me...I dunno.

LOL!  OK.. once you get your driver's license, you'll realize just how silly this comment is.

The only thing I believe you have mastered in your lifetime is baiting.

AKDejaVu

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« Reply #81 on: November 25, 2001, 07:47:00 PM »
I defer to the vastly superior aviation knowledge and experience of FDSS.

This guy obviously knows what he's talking about.
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« Reply #82 on: November 25, 2001, 08:49:00 PM »
A Split-S and an Immelman, two of the most basic air combat manuevers invented in the days of wing-warping monoplanes using 80HP LeRhone engines, can be done in any air combat game. That ranges from way back when in the most basic of air combat games: 1942: BattleHawks to the most modern of air combat games that push the envelope towards "simulation".

A split-S is going forward at anywhere from 140MPH to 300MPH, rolling inverted and easing back on the stick until you are pointed opposite the direction you were traveling but a couple hundred feet lower than you were before.

An Immelman is flying forward at anywhere from 250MPH to as fast as you can go, pulling back on the stick into a half loop so that you are now traveling the opposite direction you were before but a couple hundred feet higher. You must now roll your plane right side up.

Both of these simple manuevers can be completed in Aces High. You are either pulling the aircraft into a stall because you are pulling too hard on the stick (believe it or not, this is the way real aircraft work) or you are too low on speed to complete the Immelman.

As for the Split-S, if you can not complete one of those without stalling out or gaining any speed, then yes you are doing something wrong.

As for the car analogy, I'd like to see you jump from driving an automatic all your life into a stick without any experience.

I guarantee you it will take more than 5 minutes for you to get accustomed to the gear thresholds and the sensitivity of the clutch.

Don't expect to be able to yank your joystick to the maximum of the pitch axis without stalling out the planes. That might work in simpler games, such as Fighter Ace, Screamin Demons Over Europe, European Air War, or any of the other simpler boxed air combat games, but it doesn't work with games that are focused on the accuracy of the portrayal of flight- such as WarBirds, Aces High, or Il-2.

The rest of the games out there are child's play.
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« Reply #83 on: November 26, 2001, 05:50:00 AM »
FDSS, why don't you just ask somebody to help you out in the training arena or in a H2H session instead of pursuing this flaming fest.
The problem is not of other players, it's yours and you will have to work on it or doen't bother about AH anymore,   ;)
Help has been offered, take it or leave it.

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« Reply #84 on: November 26, 2001, 08:35:00 AM »
"I can drive any car to it's extreme in 5 minutes"  "I'm good at flight sims"   "I can't do a barrel roll in AH"

Hey.. some of these guys have a sense of humor.
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« Reply #85 on: November 26, 2001, 09:13:00 AM »
if you werked half as hard on flying as you are doing in this thread you may have accomplished something in 2 weeks.

You've spent 2 weeks in this thread telling us your leaving.

shhhhhhhshhhhhhhhh go already.

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« Reply #86 on: November 26, 2001, 10:54:00 AM »
How about putting some damn birds in this game?   :mad: It would make it more realistic and give another element to flight. Why do they put sheeeep and forget about the birds???   :confused:

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« Reply #87 on: November 26, 2001, 10:59:00 AM »
Really!

And where's the damn pilot relief tube?

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« Reply #88 on: November 26, 2001, 11:08:00 AM »
there isn't one, just open the canopy and stick it out...thats understandable...  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #89 on: November 26, 2001, 11:41:00 AM »
<best micheal Palin voice>...'HES HAVING A GO AT THE BIRDS NOW'

'hes making it up as he goes along!'  :D

btw I doubt youve driven more than 10 types of car in your lifetime unless you work in a garage or race cars for a living.So you can drive a car to the extreme in 5 minutes?
ever thought of going for the world rally championship?
to be honest after reading all the crap you have been spurting I suspect you dont know what you are talking about.
I too can fly any boxed sim on 'ace' levels with realistic flight mode and it took me ages to get to grips with AH.For gods sake youve been here 2 weeks and you want to master a game thats full of human controlled aircraft? some of us have been here 2 years and are basically more experienced in AH.
The longer you play the better you get if you bother to learn the principals of fighter combat and apply them.No other sim I've played has given me even a fraction of the challenge AH has.