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Offline Syzygyone

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« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2003, 02:58:20 PM »
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Regards Blitz
btw Our intelligence helps yours best it could


Then you and I can probably agree that the intelliegence services have failed miserably once again!
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« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2003, 02:59:23 PM »
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Straffo.
My ignore list grows.  :)


Humph!
Another pathetic hollow threat!
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« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2003, 03:06:55 PM »
Is that a death threat?

Bring it on Ayatollah.

And I didn't even have to write a book...

FWIW I was pointing out where the fire and brimstone and oversimplification of a protracted issue gets you - ask the average Israeli how successful their government's policy has been. I believe several Americans on this board are cultural supremacists who would love to follow the Israeli lead. Unlike Israel, there are more than enough Americans who don't. For now.
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« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2003, 03:10:36 PM »
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Is that a death threat?

Bring it on Ayatollah.

And I didn't even have to write a book...

FWIW I was pointing out where the fire and brimstone and oversimplification of a protracted issue gets you - ask the average Israeli how successful their government's policy has been. I believe several Americans on this board are cultural supremacists who would love to follow the Israeli lead. Unlike Israel, there are more than enough Americans who don't. For now.


To whom are you posting?
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« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2003, 03:18:41 PM »
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Dowding = Neville Chamberlain = Appeasement = Death to the appeaser! Get a clue!


I was taking the piss.
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« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2003, 03:21:37 PM »
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I was taking the piss.


No Dowd; I wasn't threatening you!  Sorry if you thought that.:(

I just thought your post about the appeaser winning WWII was ridiculous and thought that you should get a clue that those who appease end up dead!
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« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2003, 03:23:58 PM »
No, I didn't seriously think you were issuing a threat of any kind. But what you wrote was a little OTT.
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« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2003, 03:28:34 PM »
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FWIW I was pointing out where the fire and brimstone and oversimplification of a protracted issue gets you - ask the average Israeli how successful their government's policy has been. I believe several Americans on this board are cultural supremacists who would love to follow the Israeli lead. Unlike Israel, there are more than enough Americans who don't. For now.


I'd like to see some hard stats on what the people feel Dowding.  I bet you'd be surprised at how visceral the reaction is.  What would the situation be like if Israel wasn't hard lined.  The Israeli Jews that I know all, uniformly, are in support of the settlements and Israels' right to exist.  Consequently, they all, uniformly, hate Palestinian terrorists.

I see it this way.  People have tried negotiation with these radicals for decades, going back into the 60s.  Lest we forget, Israel has been in some sort of war ever since it was created by the UN.  Still the Palestineans murder innocents.  Lots and lots of innocents.  The only way to protect yourself is to kill the enemy that would kill you.  If you appease, you die.  Maybe not you personnaly, but your countrymen die.
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« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2003, 03:31:15 PM »
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No, I didn't seriously think you were issuing a threat of any kind. But what you wrote was a little OTT.


Not over the top at all I fear.  If you think it was over the top, then you need to re-read your history lessons.
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« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2003, 03:38:35 PM »
WW2 was nothing like our current situation. Everything was compartmentalized into easily discernible parties. It was easy compared to the current situation, which involves an organisation effectively with no fixed abode. That recruits not by the draft, but by conviction of ideology.

We'll have to think smart on this one. Heavy handedness gets you nowhere with terrorism. Take a lesson from us on that one.
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« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2003, 03:45:28 PM »
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I'd like to see some hard stats on what the people feel Dowding.  I bet you'd be surprised at how visceral the reaction is.  What would the situation be like if Israel wasn't hard lined.  The Israeli Jews that I know all, uniformly, are in support of the settlements and Israels' right to exist.  Consequently, they all, uniformly, hate Palestinian terrorists.

I see it this way.  People have tried negotiation with these radicals for decades, going back into the 60s.  Lest we forget, Israel has been in some sort of war ever since it was created by the UN.  Still the Palestineans murder innocents.  Lots and lots of innocents.  The only way to protect yourself is to kill the enemy that would kill you.  If you appease, you die.  Maybe not you personnaly, but your countrymen die.


Don't ask him to get the facts.  The easiest way to stay on the "I hate America" bus is to find a few nuts then attribute that to the whole population.
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« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2003, 03:46:00 PM »
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WW2 was nothing like our current situation. Everything was compartmentalized into easily discernible parties. It was easy compared to the current situation, which involves an organisation effectively with no fixed abode. That recruits not by the draft, but by conviction of ideology.

We'll have to think smart on this one. Heavy handedness gets you nowhere with terrorism. Take a lesson from us on that one.


Well, I recently have spent some significant time with Brits who had lots and lots of experience with terrorism .  I even worked with the Britain's leading forensic bomb expert.   I truly marveled at their resolve.   With those that I met, it's not a matter of if, but of when.

I think though that you are mixing the probelms of searching for terrorists with what to do with terrorists once you find them.  I agree that finding them is very very hard.  You'll just have to trust that I know how hard it is.  Yes we have to think long and hard and smart to find them.  

But!  Once you find the bastages, you milk them for as much information as possible, by whatever means necessary and then you off them.  That's justice for these scum and what they do! (even in Germany Blix)
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« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2003, 03:48:35 PM »
There was no progress in the NI peace process until a dialogue was opened with the terrorist leadership.

Is that possible with Al Queda. I doubt it.

Is that possible with those that support Al Queda? I think so.
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« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2003, 03:54:07 PM »
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There was no progress in the NI peace process until a dialogue was opened with the terrorist leadership.

Is that possible with Al Queda. I doubt it.

Is that possible with those that support Al Queda? I think so.


Why did you guys want NI anyway. All that green everywhere and Blarney and stuff!  :D

I certainly can't speak knowledgably about the GB's problems with IRA terrorists and the like.  Basically I've read and seen TomClancey's Patriot Games (joking here) and talked with a few intel and law enforcement types.  So, I don't pretend to lecture GB on how to handle their terrorists.

But, I do have a serious question.  I note your statement about opening a dialogue with terrorist leadership with great concern though.  It seems that doing so only emboldens other terrorists to think that terrorism can acheive political goals. Don't you just propagate more terrorism by agreeing to and then negotiating with them?  What does your public feel about that?
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« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2003, 03:58:40 PM »
"1st off syz...the french have been dealing with terrorism LONG before you ever did...and they still are. "

Dealing?  You got it right!  The French are potatos to them.  They sell them protection in order to be protected from them.
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