So exactly how dumb are the Pals?

[Hortlund]

I mean really...

With the removal of Saddam and the feverish backpaddling of Syria, the chance of peace in Israel is probably better than it has ever been.

You have all the major players agreeing on one simple plan. You have a clear time table, one with clear benchmarks. You have political will from Israel, you have a new Palestinian leader.

So what do they do? 4 suicide bombers in 3 days?

F*ck em.

If they want to screw this peace deal too so they can keep killing jews from time to time in some insane suicide bombing...f*ck em.

The thing I'll never understand is their almost absurdly idiotic PR-tactics though. Gulf War I? Side with Saddam. Intifada v2.0? Gun down 10 month old infants. Suicide bomber targets? Women with children. Peace in sight? Send in the next wave of suicide bombers.

So do you Pal-defenders note the relationship between the IDF easing the grip on the Pals ever so little and new suicide bomber attacks? Heh, did it take 2-3 days after the Israelis opened up the West Bank until the suicide bombings resumed?

[Thud]

Originally posted by Hortlund
You have all the major players agreeing on one simple plan. You have a clear time table, one with clear benchmarks. You have political will from Israel, you have a new Palestinian leader.

So exactly how dumb are you?

I am fully aware that reality has never been an obstruction whenever you start another of your rants but with this statement you're down to a new low...

[~Caligula~]

If there's a palestinian state and peace with Israel,what are they going to do? Work?

As long as this crap is going on there, they're (the guys behind the scenes) getting fat sums of cash to carry on their so called struggle for freedom.And those poor idiots who are  tougt from birth ,that their one and only porpose in life is to kill jews are happy to go and do the slaughter while their leaders' bank accounts are getting ever bigger.

[Dowding]

If there's a palestinian state and peace with Israel,what are they going to do? Work?

Some already do, when they're not having their shops bulldozed because they are deemed 'illegal' (nothing to do with suicide bombings BTW). Or when they are having their houses bull-dozed to make way for 'buffer zones' aka Jewish settlements (and again, nothing to do with bulldozers for suicide bombings program either).

Has the I"D"F stopped using helicoptor gunships on crowds of civilians in 'follow-up' attacks yet? How about the statistics regarding gun shot wounds of Palestinian children and the distribution of head shots in those figures? Have they changed?

The truth is there will always be nutters on the Palestinian side - but the ridiculous tarring of a whole nation with the same brush is very old. OTOH, the new Palestinian leadership needs to go in hard against Hamas et al.

Oh yeah, Arafat and Sharon need to be dropped off a cliff somewhere too.

[SirLoin]

The Palastinians don't wan't a state..They wan't the destruction of Israel.

[ra]

So what do they do? 4 suicide bombers in 3 days?

The role of Palestinians is to be a weapon used against Israel by other powers.  What the Palestinians want is not relevant.

ra

[~Caligula~]

The Palastinians don't wan't a state..They wan't the destruction of Israel.

The role of Palestinians is to be a weapon used against Israel by other powers. What the Palestinians want is not relevant.

Both statements are 100% correct

[straffo]

Originally posted by ~Caligula~
Both statements are 100% correct

This statement is 100% wrong also.

Or you can speak for 100% of the Palestinian ?

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by SirLoin
The Palastinians don't wan't a state..They wan't the destruction of Israel.

We have a winner.

[Rude]

Originally posted by Dowding
Some already do, when they're not having their shops bulldozed because they are deemed 'illegal' (nothing to do with suicide bombings BTW). Or when they are having their houses bull-dozed to make way for 'buffer zones' aka Jewish settlements (and again, nothing to do with bulldozers for suicide bombings program either).

Has the I"D"F stopped using helicoptor gunships on crowds of civilians in 'follow-up' attacks yet? How about the statistics regarding gun shot wounds of Palestinian children and the distribution of head shots in those figures? Have they changed?

The truth is there will always be nutters on the Palestinian side - but the ridiculous tarring of a whole nation with the same brush is very old. OTOH, the new Palestinian leadership needs to go in hard against Hamas et al.

Oh yeah, Arafat and Sharon need to be dropped off a cliff somewhere too.

killing Jews is ok with you though...is that correct....or do I sense that you blame the Jews for the plight of the PALS?

What say you regarding Jordan and the PALS or the other Arab states and the lack of support they have offered the PALS?

Bush wrong again Dowding or who exactly is to blame....let that wisdom flow so the common man can share in your understand of geopolitical issues. Spell it out for the simple minded....please.

To show the restraint the Jews have shown in dealing with this mess, I can't say the US or any other nation would stand down to the extent Isreal has if they were being systematically murdered....it has been made clear to Isreal the intention of most Arab nations in that region....they have and are trying to give this peace a chance.

What about Camp David Dowding....whose fault was that farce?

[Curval]

Dowding,

Please explain to me how and why Palestinian children are allowed to throw rocks at heavily armed and seemingly trigger happy soldiers?

When you do STUPID things BAD things can happen.

I'm a parent.  I won't let me kids go outside our condo by themselves because there is an idiot who drives very badly in our development and I am worried that they will be hit.  Why do these people allow their kids to go and play with the nasty soldiers?

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by Curval
I'm a parent.  I won't let me kids go outside our condo by themselves because there is an idiot who drives very badly in our development and I am worried that they will be hit.  Why do these people allow their kids to go and play with the nasty soldiers?

In the hopes of swaying the opinions of impressionable young Brits?  

It makes for good television afterall.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Saurdaukar
In the hopes of swaying the opinions of impressionable young Brits?  

It makes for good television afterall.

They put their kids in dangerous situations, but not before they call the camera crews out to film it all.

[Lance]

Anyone who thinks that either the Pals or Israelis are blameless in their little war is an idiot.

Both sides have elements who's existence are dependent on this conflict.  Both sides have their elements that would sabotage a peace if it meant anything less than the subjugation of the other side.  Both sides have killed innocent civilians.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Lance
Anyone who thinks that either the Pals or Israelis are blameless in their little war is an idiot.

Both sides have elements who's existence are dependent on this conflict.  Both sides have their elements that would sabotage a peace if it meant anything less than the subjugation of the other side.  Both sides have killed innocent civilians.

Both  sides are to blame, correct but I'd lay the blame around 90% on the Palastinians. They are the one's who teach their kids since birth to hate Jews.