Author Topic: The Shoki would have really been nice. (Read 2806 times)

F4UDOA · « **on:** May 28, 2003, 10:34:30 AM »

Just looking at the TAIC report on the KI-44 and thinking what a shame it is that we haven't had that thing in AH.

It would have allowed a small perk cost for the NIK2 like the C-Hog (they were both built in very similar numbers) say 10 perks and the SHoki would hve been the midwar terror it should have been.

This bird was faster at most alts than the NIK2 and climbed better but had either 2 .50 cals or 2 40mills. Would have been great for ACM. Much like a Hellcat with better climb and less guns.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #1 on:** May 28, 2003, 10:49:20 AM »

"they were both built in very similar numbers"

There were more than twice as many N1K2J and more than seven times as many if you add the N1K1J.

Sikboy · « **Reply #2 on:** May 28, 2003, 12:18:29 PM »

I thought the combined run of Shidens was about 1400, while the combined run of Shokis was around 1250?

-Sik

oboe · « **Reply #3 on:** May 28, 2003, 12:28:56 PM »

The number of good Japanese fighters AH doesn't have is alot.

The ones we have are good choices, emphasizing the heavier firepower-versions of the models, but gosh, there are a half dozen more good fighters which would add alot to the CT, scenarios, and in a few cases the MA: Ki.84, J2M3, Ki.43-III, Ki.44, Ki.100, A6M3.

funkedup · « **Reply #4 on:** May 28, 2003, 01:14:48 PM »

SHOW ME THE SHOKI PYRO!!!

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26532&highlight=shoki

ramzey · « **Reply #5 on:** May 28, 2003, 01:33:07 PM »

funked mby u have rollrate and turn time?
on charts quoted here is not included, btw copied from my thread on other BB;)

ramzey

funkedup · « **Reply #6 on:** May 28, 2003, 01:42:19 PM »

No I don't have that info. Looking at the dimensions of the plane, I'd guess roll rate and turn rate are similar to an early Fw 190.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #7 on:** May 28, 2003, 03:30:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Sikboy
I thought the combined run of Shidens was about 1400, while the combined run of Shokis was around 1250?

-Sik

Yep thats right.

200 chogs
400+ Shiden-Kais
1000 Shidens

Sikboy · « **Reply #8 on:** May 28, 2003, 03:52:35 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yep thats right.

200 chogs
400+ Shiden-Kais
1000 Shidens

Sorry, I'm retarded. I read it as "Shokis and Shidens were built in similar numbers"

hope I can get my money back from theh hooked on phonics people.

carry on lol.

-Sik

F4UDOA · « **Reply #9 on:** May 28, 2003, 04:01:06 PM »

Grunherz,

In the scale of fighter production the difference between 200 and 400 is not so much. Plus other factors play into that as well.

1. How many of those Shindens actually made it into combat?

2. How many were destroyed on the ground?

3. How many never left Japan for combat at all?

I can certainly account for the 200 F4U-1C's making into the combat area during wartime. Not including the more than 800 F4U-4B's(20mil M3's) that were built during wartime.

But even without that it would have been nice to have the Shoki in AH Classic.

Ramzey,

I frequent those boards as well. There are less people like Grunherz picking your every knit there;)

brady · « **Reply #10 on:** May 28, 2003, 05:35:36 PM »

The Ki 44 is Not on my wish list at all, and perking the N1K2-J is rediculous by any strech of the imaganation.

Comparing japanese and US production figures is also kinda lame generaly since 1400 for Japan was a lot of planes. From what I have read almost all those Georges produced were sent to comabt unit's and even if they were based in Japan they did see action or most of them did, Georges flew combat sorties from the Main Islands of japan to Okinawa escorting striks down their and flew defensive sorties aganst the Carier strikes aganst the homeland that were conducted toward the end of the war. It could also be said that anyplane caught on the ground and destroyed saw combat.

The reasion the Ki 44 is Not on my wish list is that it simply was not that great a preformer, it climbed well but handeled porely, and had a week gun package, the 40mm being almost useless.

Their are simply better planes that can be modled around the same time frame that would be better rides, the Ki 84 which replaced the Ki 44 for all intensive pourpouses namely and had better guns spead and handeling. Heck the Tony is as fast and some models climb better than the Ki 44. The Tony handels better and hand better gun's. geting another Tony varient would be preferable to the KI 44.

Kweassa · « **Reply #11 on:** May 28, 2003, 06:07:12 PM »

Quite Shoki-ng!

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #12 on:** May 28, 2003, 06:16:14 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by funkedup
SHOW ME THE SHOKI PYRO!!!
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26532&highlight=shoki

Killing a mig 3

ra · « **Reply #13 on:** May 28, 2003, 06:25:51 PM »

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The reasion the Ki 44 is Not on my wish list is that it simply was not that great a preformer, it climbed well but handeled porely, and had a week gun package, the 40mm being almost useless.

4x12.7 mm would be OK, the FM2 and P51B do just fine. In what way did it handle poorly? The main thing the Jap planeset needs is a plane that can dive and roll well at high speed.

ra

Karnak · « **Reply #14 on:** May 28, 2003, 08:10:49 PM »

I'd like to see a Ki.44-II-Otsu, but the Ki.84-I-Ko is higher on my wish list. Three times as many were built, it entered service at approximately the same time and was a much, much better fighter.

As to perking the N1K2-J. That is a sheerly absurd idea. It is the only Japanese fighter that is competitve in the MA in the hands of a regular player. Unlike the F4U-1C, it would not have an icon hiding it's true nature (aka, a perk plane) and it is not anywhere near fast enough to escape.

The F4U-1C is effectively camoflaged by all the freebie F4U-1s and F4U-1Ds and is faster than the average enemy fighter should they realize that they are fighting a perked F4U-1C and not a freebie F4U of some sort.

Lastly and most telling, the F4U-1C was not perked due to low historical numbers, but rather due to the fact that the sheer numbers of them were harming the game, something the N1K2-J has never managed to pull off.