Author Topic: I guess the IL2 developers never saw this.... (Read 2717 times)

Hortlund · « **Reply #15 on:** June 10, 2003, 08:12:59 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yea IL2 is pretty good, but the flashes are horrible - imagine 6 foot solid orange fireballs for 20mm cannon...

I have IL2 and IL2-FB.

Have you seen a real machine gun fire at night? Or assault rifle for that matter? Muzzle flashes can be huge.

As for the photo...it's one photo, not really much to go on. Ive shot alot of rifle calibre MG in the military, and as I said those flashes are huge, but still I could snap a picture of them where they would be small.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #16 on:** June 10, 2003, 08:19:02 AM »

Ive fired full auto SMG and pistols. The biggest muzzle flash to me was from a 50 caliber Desret Eagle pistol in a dimly lit indoor shooting range. It was pretty big and only some 2 feet in front of my face but was nothing as intense and as distracting as the IL2 stuff.

Plus RL WW2 pilots who saw IL2 game have commented that Bf109 muzzle flasf from external view is laughably ridiculous.

Creamo · « **Reply #17 on:** June 10, 2003, 08:35:37 AM »

Other than that artist picture where they didn't even draw the intake round, or forgot the antenna behind it, I thought this was interesting.

From “The Blond Knight of Germany” The true story of Eric Hartmann, when Hartmann goes to destroy all his ammo and aircraft before surrendering…

“Keep back Bimmel, I’m going to fire the ammunition off into the woods.”

Bimmel sprang clear as Erich pressed Karaya One’s gun buttons for the last time. Sitting in the cockpit, Erich was astonished by the size of the muzzle flashes from the gun muzzles. At high speed in combat they never flared like that.

Dowding · « **Reply #18 on:** June 10, 2003, 08:51:56 AM »

At high speed perhaps a lot of the powder was dispersed before it could ignite.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #19 on:** June 10, 2003, 09:35:39 AM »

The biggest question is...whats the community's consensus on this huge flame ball on the guns? Yay or nay? If Yay, the developers need to change it to please the customer...thats the bottom line. On a personal note, I neither liked the big flames nor the gunnery in IL-2.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #20 on:** June 10, 2003, 09:54:19 AM »

Most people seem to hate it, there are many muzzle flash fix requests.

Been reading their forum today, and posted this picture as well, and it seems Oleg is particularly resistant to changing it, even though some ww2 fighter pilots apparently laughed at the muzzle flashes when shown the game by IL2 developers - much to their embarasement.

I really hope they fix it, IL2 is so much fun in eye candy and sensory immersion and the H-Bombs kinda ruin it.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #21 on:** June 10, 2003, 09:58:57 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Most people seem to hate it, there are many muzzle flash fix requests.

Been reading their forum today, and posted this picture as well, and it seems Oleg is particularly resistant to changing it, even though some ww2 fighter pilots apparently laughed at the muzzle flashes when shown the game by IL2 developers - much to their embarasement.

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Then Oleg hasn't learned from HTC..

Creamo · « **Reply #22 on:** June 10, 2003, 10:33:25 AM »

Yah, those realistic cockpit guages will be the end of IL2 sales.

Pongo · « **Reply #23 on:** June 10, 2003, 10:44:06 AM »

Why even debate the issue. Huge numbers of us have fired automatic weapons in day and at night. I have done so for 1000s and 1000s of rounds from 9mm to 50 cal. What happens in IL2 is just silly.
Dont they have any conscripts in Russia that can tell oleg that?

Dux · « **Reply #24 on:** June 10, 2003, 10:44:21 AM »

Skuzzy, your reasoning is sound, except...
those are not stars; it's dust on the neg.

Even the most miniscule muzzle flash would drown out any stars in the background, especially if the muzzles are close to the camera, especially with a moving subject.

Also, If it was high-speed film, I would expect the prop to be not so blurred.

But it makes the point, doesn't it. Cool picture.

Russian · « **Reply #25 on:** June 10, 2003, 10:44:38 AM »

Its pointless arguing with you. Just stay in your reality.

(I remember people like you.

Green tracers? That’s fake, IL2 sucks! Oleg is commi bastard. etc)

Yeager · « **Reply #26 on:** June 10, 2003, 10:44:44 AM »

Thats a rather poor photo for demonstrating muzzle flash. Looks touched up. Muzzle flash in IL2 is over done for daylight. In reality nightime muzzle flash, depending on powder type can be horrendous and temporarily blinding.

In any event: IL2FB has so many simulation qualities superior to the current build of AH that any attempt to qualify the latter over the former is merely an excercise in futility.

As a MMO of course, AH has IL2 beat and thats what matters here.

Erlkonig · « **Reply #27 on:** June 10, 2003, 11:17:43 AM »

I got used to the IL2 muzzle flash pretty quickly. Much like the fantasy cockpit gauges in AH.

And that photo looks fake.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #28 on:** June 10, 2003, 11:24:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Russian
Its pointless arguing with you. Just stay in your reality.

(I remember people like you.

Green tracers? That’s fake, IL2 sucks! Oleg is commi bastard. etc)

What on earth are you talking about? Its plainly overdone and people here who have fired 50 Caliber MG and 20mm cannon in REAL LIFE military service at night can testify to that. Why on earth are you so defensive?

Calm down...

Suave · « **Reply #29 on:** June 10, 2003, 11:30:47 AM »

I don't think the photo looks fake. It looks like any other photo of a fighterplane firing it's guns at night . And if that muzzle flash of the 37mm in the photo isn't helacious then I don't know what is .