Author Topic: I guess the IL2 developers never saw this.... (Read 2374 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #45 on:** June 10, 2003, 12:54:45 PM »

Yep like I said IL2 does a great job of simulating inefficient soviet guns and their huge muzzle flashes.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #46 on:** June 10, 2003, 12:56:46 PM »

BTW Yeager, since when are you such an Oleg grupie?

Mini D · « **Reply #47 on:** June 10, 2003, 12:56:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Suave
The muzzle flashes from the naval guns in AH are huge. I don't consider the photo doctored just because somebody illuminated the plane with a spot light . Can somebody post that photo of the b25 doing a night fire ?

What part wasn't doctored? It may or may not have been taken at night. The image is too clear for the plane to have been in motion long enough for the picture to capture the full length of the muzzle flashes. There is a spotlight on it. The background has obviously been added after the fact.

I mean... other than that, it should be a very clear reference as to the apearance of muzzle flashes on a moving aircraft at night.

I do agree that Il-2 greatly overdoes muzzle flashes. Its just that using bogus "evidence" to support the argument doesn't really help. Its the internet.. you can find a "photo" to support virtually any claim.

MiniD

Hooligan · « **Reply #48 on:** June 10, 2003, 01:10:40 PM »

Pongo:

You have fired thousands of rounds of .50 ammo????

Well bring your toys down to Vegas and lets party!

Hooligan

Hortlund · « **Reply #49 on:** June 10, 2003, 01:12:10 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe

-SW

nuff said...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #50 on:** June 10, 2003, 01:16:57 PM »

Only for the For the Il2 and its 23mm cannon. Russians were nutorious for inefficient loose tolerance guns and that was the result.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #51 on:** June 10, 2003, 01:18:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Suave
Skuzzy where did you learn PI ?

PI?

Yeager · « **Reply #52 on:** June 10, 2003, 01:19:06 PM »

Ive been playing AH since Sept99. The past year and a half has seen the community grow in a very different direction that I would have originally hoped for. The actual game itself has certainly stagnated in that time. The attitude of the developers seems to have become much more blase' towards everyone but especially towards the longtime fans/supporters.

IL2 was a breath of very fresh air for me last year.

When I logged on this past weekend and saw pizza and realized it would be here a full week I went to the local store and purchased IL2FB. Its a tremendous and welcome change of pace. Its a pleasure just to look at all the artwork. Just stunning.
I dont know about the FMs, they feel a little bit better than AH on average to me and the P40 and P47 are real pleasures and the upcoming mannable P51 should be sweet.

Hopefully AH2 will make HTC competative on levels other than just MMOL, like it was a few years back, before IL2

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #53 on:** June 10, 2003, 01:24:14 PM »

Don't get too use to FB's flight model... new patch due out sometime in June that will change it.

- Tweaking and perfecting the FM, to match the aircraft landing and altitude characteristics (including climbrates) closer to the original.
- Reworking the code of aircraft engines for more realistic performance (including prop pitch).
- Adjusting aspects of aircraft and engine control.
- Reworking sound to bring up a new quality engine sounds, as well as other effects, and extended support of the EAX.
- Revising weapons lethality and produced effects.
- Revising damage model on some planes.
- Adding new flyable aircraft (in a separate add-on).
- Reworking models and adding more details into the damage models of AI aircraft that are becoming flyable with addition of new cockpits.
- Optimization (rework) of online code for fast transfer of data (especially for modem users and long distance lines).
- Adding more eye-candy into the game."
-SW

Skuzzy · « **Reply #54 on:** June 10, 2003, 01:24:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Dux
Skuzzy, your reasoning is sound, except...
those are not stars; it's dust on the neg.

Even the most miniscule muzzle flash would drown out any stars in the background, especially if the muzzles are close to the camera, especially with a moving subject.

Also, If it was high-speed film, I would expect the prop to be not so blurred.

But it makes the point, doesn't it. Cool picture.

I thought it was dust as well, until I looked closer. Note the light smear to the left and up from them.
It could be ambient particles catching the light from the gun flash as well.

High speed film would not neccessarily catch the prop in low light conditions, if you used a wide aperature and low f-stop, it could miss the prop entirely.

It is a cool pic.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #55 on:** June 10, 2003, 01:31:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
nuff said...

Actually, that photo is over-exposed, which exaggerates any light source.

Dux · « **Reply #56 on:** June 10, 2003, 01:31:19 PM »

Doh! You're right about the film... I was confusing high-speed film with high-speed shutter... different things.

Though I still highly doubt they're stars, but I could be wrong.

Oh, and PI = Photographic Interpretation (as used in Intelligence services)

Suave · « **Reply #57 on:** June 10, 2003, 01:37:22 PM »

Well in AH Yeager the muzzle flash of the 8 inch cruiser guns is about the size of a fighter hanger. I don't think it's exagerating when I say that is huge .

Suave · « **Reply #58 on:** June 10, 2003, 01:40:32 PM »

Anyway lets post some more photos of planes firing at night .

Skuzzy · « **Reply #59 on:** June 10, 2003, 01:43:20 PM »

Just remember that a photograph can be misleading. The photographer can control the look of the image very easily.

It is very easy to either exaggerate or minimize the light source in a photograph.

What you see, is not neccessarily what you get.