What is it with all the no-skill killstealers lately?

[Sandman]

Well... the cool thing about the Hurri is that it turns so well that HO rarely happen. I choose the Hurri simply because by gunnery sucks and it doesn't take more than a chance or two to take a plane down.

More often than not, when faced with a HO merge and I've resisted the temptation to fire, the opponent hasn't so... might as well let 'em rip.


Consider this, Steve... (and I'm not really interested in starting a pissing contest), but I question the value of your perception. Guys like you, and Drex and DMF with freakish K/D really have no idea what the skill level is like. We are all beneath you. I've been at this a few years and from my point of view on average, it's not getting any harder to win a kill, nor is it getting any easier. Of course, maybe I just suck and I've not learned a thing.

Still, I've went up against opponents that made it absolutely clear after the first merge that they either knew what they were doing, or they were bumbling newbies.

[hyena426]

i know what ya mean about kill stealing,,i have took off players wings,,,and as im watching them fall back to earth,,i see 3 or 4 guys on my team burning all there e and shooting at my dead duck as it falls,,instead of going after live targets in the area{while im saying he is dead on a open team channel},,and then a bad guy come in and cleans there clocks,,hehe,,all because they wanted to steal a kill,,,it happens,,i allmost laugh when i see it,,because what a wasit of ammo and time,,,all just to loose there life in a attempt to take a duck away,,lol

<~~dont bother me too much,,because i just clean up the ducks on there tails,,hehe

[Murdr]

If it has a red icon I shoot it. If you weren't able to finish the job yourself, there's no need to come here squeaking about your own shortcomings.
 

Troll? Mabey, mabey not.  In the same token if I spend my time and ammo knocking a plane out of the sky.  I have no problem spending an equal amount of time cursing out a no skill dweeb on vox no matter how many people are around to hear it.

Guys like you, and Drex and DMF with freakish K/D really have no idea what the skill level is like. We are all beneath you.

Man steve you got a promotion!!  I envy you.  Do you know what an honor it is to be mentioned with Drex?  lol

Steve- I have to agree with what you are saying.  Although, in most situations I really cant complain about it.  In the bussle of the MA it is nice to have so many potential 1 manover kills around.  Because that is usually what it takes to kill a HO artist.  On the other hand I still share your frustration, in that I believe that some of the HO artists couldnt out manover the Spruce Goose.  We know from our past debates, I tend to mix it up a little more than you.  My frustrations comes when I am in a #s vs 1 situation and still the only thing these guys know is HO.  Point-If you have an enemy out numbered 3 or more to 1, and still a HO shot is the only thing you can manage....lol, scrapings off the bottom of the dweeb barrel.
I avoid HOs often, and give them when I have to.

[Mini D]

Originally posted by Murdr
Troll? Mabey, mabey not.  In the same token if I spend my time and ammo knocking a plane out of the sky.  I have no problem spending an equal amount of time cursing out a no skill dweeb on vox no matter how many people are around to hear it.

Ah... and all could have been avoided if you were just a tad bit better on the trigger.

But then.. some just like to get on vox and sound superior.

MiniD

[mipoikel]

This thread makes me wonder where is Rude?

[Karnak]

Mini D,

Why do you shoot at falling carcasses?

The job has been finished.  It is dead.  It is no more.  It wouldn't VOOOOMMMM if you put 10,000 volts through it.

Why shoot it? It is a waste of your ammo and likely puts you out of position to fight actual threats.

Maybe you're one of the guys who hovers 10,000ft below a fight to shoot up falling carcasses.  Why?  Is it fun?  Do you get your rocks off?

It doesn't take any skill to shoot something like that.  I don't understand people who subscribe to a combat game and then avoid combat and get their jollies by whelching off of others.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Murdr
On the other hand I still share your frustration, in that I believe that some of the HO artists couldnt out manover the Spruce Goose.

I still think that if the opponent can manage no better than a neutral merge, turn after turn, he is just as good as I. If I can't gain angles, I have only myself to blame... that or, we both are flying the aircraft at peak efficiency.

[Widewing]

I think this is due to the influx of N00bs who couldn't hit their bellybutton with a seat cusion. I have had 4 or 5 kills swiped by these guys, and in every case the target was missing its tail or wing. So, I simply keep shooting till it explodes, or if it was a snapshot that disabled the target, I give every would-be thief a "Check 6" as soon as they show interest.

That said, most guys will apologize when imformed of their offense. Generally, that is is enough to end the issue for me.

My regards,

Widewing

[Mini D]

Originally posted by Widewing
I think this is due to the influx of N00bs who couldn't hit their bellybutton with a seat cusion. I have had 4 or 5 kills swiped by these guys, and in every case the target was missing its tail or wing.

I thought you said they couldn't hit anything.

Yessir.. they can't hit crap unless they're stealing a kill.  Then they are suddenly aces.

Well.. whatever makes you feel better about yourself I suppose.

MiniD

[Karnak]

Mini D,

Do you actually understand what we are talking about?

It doesn't sound like you do.

We are not talking about people shooting enemy aircraft down that we had been working on and hoping to kill ourselves, but somebody else got it first.  Calling that kill stealing would be stupid.

We're talking about falling, non-manuvering wreckage.  Something that anybody can hit, even if hitting a manuvering aircraft is very difficult for them.


If you did understand what we were talking about your statements make you out to be a simple minded dolt.

[Mini D]

Originally posted by Karnak
Mini D,

Why do you shoot at falling carcasses?

I don't believe I have ever shot a carcass while playing AH.  Could you clarify this please?

The job has been finished.  It is dead.  It is no more.  It wouldn't VOOOOMMMM if you put 10,000 volts through it.

Volts?  are you using some kind of different weapon?  Bullets don't have a voltage silly.  Though, if they did, you might be able to re-animate an object if enough voltage was applied... like redirected from a lightning bolt.

Why shoot it? It is a waste of your ammo and likely puts you out of position to fight actual threats.

Maybe you're one of the guys who hovers 10,000ft below a fight to shoot up falling carcasses.  Why?  Is it fun?  Do you get your rocks off?

You have me pegged.  I find little as exciting as stealing a kill... much to my wifes dismay.  As she attempts to lure me to the bedroom, I sit stoichly with a joystick in each hand eagerly awaiting a stolen kill.... or pray tell a stolen kill followed by a chute kill.

It doesn't take any skill to shoot something like that.  I don't understand people who subscribe to a combat game and then avoid combat and get their jollies by whelching off of others.

It doesn't take any skill?  Have you tried to shoot a plane spiralling out of control?  It's very difficult.  As far as welching off of others... why do you even fly in the MA?  What you really need is the dueling arena where you can't welch off of any distraction, other con or anything.  Instead, you fly in the MA where "combat" is anything but.  Of course, you can pretend it is really combat if that gets your "jollies off"... but then you'd have to rethink just exactly what it is you are making fun of again.

Some people play the game, others think it is a means to get their rocks off, or their jollies from.  Too bad they have to post threads like this to keep things.. um... liveley.

MiniD

[Mini D]

Originally posted by Karnak
We're talking about falling, non-manuvering wreckage.  Something that anybody can hit, even if hitting a manuvering aircraft is very difficult for them.


If you did understand what we were talking about your statements make you out to be a simple minded dolt.

Ummmm... karnak...

I believe I said I shoot at it if it has a red icon.  Does what you describe have a red icon?  And... since when does wreckage fly?  I believe the instant the plane wrecks in AH it is dead.  Even damaged planes fly... just not that well.

Really... you should think about what you're saying.  You're really coming off like a simple minded dolt.

MiniD

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Mini D
Ummmm... karnak...

Even damaged planes fly... just not that well.

Really... you should think about what you're saying.  You're really coming off like a simple minded dolt.

MiniD

The first 6 posts of the thread pretty much define what type of damage seperates a plane that falls from a plane that flies.  Kind of makes you wonder who the simple minded dolt is eh?

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I still think that if the opponent can manage no better than a neutral merge, turn after turn, he is just as good as I. If I can't gain angles, I have only myself to blame... that or, we both are flying the aircraft at peak efficiency.

Side Note: My comments went on to describe multi vs 1 situations and made reference to 1 v 1 only on the inital merge.  So you are certianly not arguing with me.

[Karnak]

Mini D,

You are the one claiming you shoot anything with a red icon and if it still has one it means the job wasn't finished.  By claiming that you are either saying A) I am a kill stealer or B) I don't understand what this thread is actually talking about.

Pick one.



We are not talking about people who shoot aircraft that are damaged, but still flying.  That is all fine and is not kill stealing.

We are talking about people who shoot wingless or tailess wrecks that are plunging vertically towards the ground and are often trailing every kind of smoke the game has.  Those people are kill stealing.

I have yet to see an aircraft in AH fly when it is missing its entire tail or a whole wing.  Maybe you have, but in my experience those aircraft are no longer flying.


As to how easy it is to hit such a target, in my experience it is very easy.  I base this on having finished off some of the wrecks I was responsible for and a few newbies who stalled perfectly good aircraft but couldn't get them out of a spin.  In all cases they were easy targets.


BTW, the voltage quip was a Monty Python reference and not intended to be taken literally.  (Dead parrot skit)