Author Topic: Where Fur and Strat Collide... (Read 10040 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #105 on:** July 01, 2003, 08:55:51 AM »

I don't really care how anyone plays so long as it doesn't have a lopsided effect on how I play... if HTC allowed the atomic bomb and it made all the enemies fields radioactive then that would affect me too much for instance.

What I want is opportunity. I like to furball... a lot of guys do. if the only available fields are 2 sectors apart then my opportunity is severly limited. The strat guys are not affected so they don't care. if fact... if the fields are far apart people are pretty much forced to fly their way.

If the fields are closer together then all that is changed is that more people have more choice. No one is given an advantage or is able to affect other players choice in any lopsided manner. My furballing does not hurt anyones strat in any way other than me shooting down the occassional plane.

lazs

Zippatuh · « **Reply #106 on:** July 01, 2003, 08:57:07 AM »

I find it hard to believe there could be a whole lot of camaraderie between 80 or so odd squad members. This isn’t an attack on you MAW’s just hard for me to believe that’s possible. Actually, I think possible, but highly unlikely. More likely a handful of good sticks with a bunch of lemmings or cannon fodder to fill the “numbers”. An attrition game, base capture on the basis of steam roller, which is the new game it seems.

You can have that appearance of camaraderie by having 10-15 on a night but that’s a purely numbers game anyhow. You said it yourself that on squad nights you have a good showing of 20-30. Well hell I hope so with 80 in the squad. 25%-35% of the squad showing on squad night is good? Again, it’s all in the numbers.

Good sticks, yeah I have no doubt you have quite a few, again with the numbers and percentages game you should have.

There is also no way on earth I could fathom wanting to be in a dedicated “transport” squad? It’s their 15 bucks though so have at it.

No idea what beet1e is talking about concerning BBS gangbanging. Then again his infatuation with the 13th, specifically Toad, and the BK’s, specifically lazs, is disturbing. When I found out about the emails, man, let it go dude... Maybe we can have action figures made if that would help with therapy. Maybe it’s mad cow?

muckmaw · « **Reply #107 on:** July 01, 2003, 11:11:45 AM »

Zipp-

Actually, we are a very tight knit group. We have about 30 players who make just about every squad night, but we're all working men, and some of us have families, so those numbers can fluctuate.

We also have members who are outside the US and squadnights are difficult for them to attend, but they do their best.

In essence, I could not imagine flying for any other squad, as these guys are my friends, as well as teammates. There's not a single guy I could say a bad thing about in the squad...except for BGB's spelling...

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If I had to estimate, out of the 80 plus members, 30 are very active, 30 are quite active and 20 to 30 are either MIA, Busy with life, having computer problems, or just enjoying the summer.

Regards,

mars01 · « **Reply #108 on:** July 01, 2003, 11:23:12 AM »

Hey Zip,

Good assumptions but dead wrong. There is a whole lot of camaraderie. When I joined the MAW they were about half the size we are now. ( I think give or take 10 or 20 lol ) The one thing that stuck out was how close everyone is and how well they work together.

MAW first and foremost are friends that enjoy flying together, and that is true. Our common ground is this game and pride in our squad and skill level it and each of us can achieve.

What also builds, camaraderie, is the fact that it isn't the skill level that makes you a MAW. I guess you could say the first rule in recruiting is - are they cool and do they like and want to fly with others, we can teach them the skills if they are lacking. ( Oh yeah and they cant have vox that sounds like some one is castrating lambs. Pun intended lolh ) If any MAW needs help or training there is always another MAW, qualified, knowledgeable and more than willing to help.

The other part of being in such a large squad is there are always MAW on. Any time I log on there is at least one if not five or more MAW on at a time. The MAW are diversified, there are guys that fill every facet of this game. From fighter jock to jabo, buff to goon pilots. That’s the beauty of the MAW. I have to laugh when people think because there is a goon squad that, that is all they do. That is their job two nights a week for about four hours a night, should they choose to log in and fly at those times. I respect those guys a lot. Out flying a fighter in a goon is hard to do, but I have seen in done by the MAW.

I guess to make this long story short - Take everything you like about your squad and multiply it by 10 and you have the MAW.

As for the rest - I like running into the TAS and AKs and many others out there. It makes for some great knife fighting and really gets the blood going. It's always nice to see a BKs because you know your in the middle of the fight and you have some good sticks around you to help.

I and most of us know - most of the ribbing is all in fun and if it isn't don't take yourselves so seriously. In the end we are all dorks playing a kids game. Lets face it, no one is walking up to a girl and bragging that they are a computer pilot that belongs to a squad of other computer pilots with call signs and such. lol If they did she and all her friends would tell that person that they are a dork. lolh Dorks 8)

So All, I cant wait to log in and share the love as I shoot your prettythanges down 8)

masrs01 - M.A.W Blacksheep, XO

Stringer · « **Reply #109 on:** July 01, 2003, 11:25:51 AM »

I am STILL SparticusMAW!!

and Apache is STILL a Post potato!!

Apache · « **Reply #110 on:** July 01, 2003, 11:29:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Stringer
I am STILL SparticusMAW!!

and Apache is STILL a Post potato!!

I ain't done it!

SlapShot · « **Reply #111 on:** July 01, 2003, 01:05:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I cannot for the life of me understand people that attempt to dictate to others how the game should be played.

I like to think there is enough diversity to satisfy everyone. People that come to the board and make attempts to sway how everyone plays the game need a reality check.
The goal is simple: Have fun! If it means furballing, then furball, if it means missions, then play the missions, if it is strat, then play strat. Point being, no one has the right to tell others how to play.
If you enter a thread about strat, and you do not like strat, then why post in that thread (as an example)?

Let people make thier own choices and have thier own discussions. Sometimes it is apropo to keep your fingers from the keyboard. Just becasue you have an opinion, does not make it right.

Skuzzy,

The real crux here is not one trying to dictate how someone else should fly, but rather ... well beet1e's sig says it all :

"Game changes to tweak features, nudge settings and to otherwise influence gameplay as to benefit a certain playing style or group of players, to the detriment of all others = BAD."

By the way, I agree with this statement.

Ideas on how to tweak/nudge settings is where the rubber meets the road. There are active "watchdog" groups/individuals who are self-tasked with making sure that their part of the game, that they hold so dear, is not effected by ideas that tweak/nudge, which is cool.

It is the discussion of these tweaks/nudges that then spiral downward faster than a Yak with a Spit on its 6.

The bring the "fields closer" and "change V Bases to A Bases" ideas (tweak/nudges) were not trying to force anybody to change their ride or force them to fly a particualr way, rather they had been suggested to increase the fun level of one genre of the game. Simple as that ... right.

Hopefully we won't have to rehash the pros and cons of these ideas since they have already been implemented within Trinity and seem to have exhibited positive effects with no negative effects that I can see (BigIsles need to re-evaluate with these ideas in mind).

So all the nawing and thrashing that went about only furthered to divide genres'. In the future, when ideas are put forth, we should not judge the idea by the individual and let that cloud the situation, but rather just judge the idea. Preconception short circuts rational thoughts.

PS. Stringer ... I will send you a .sqdinvite tonight ... just setup SparticusMAW before 8 PM Eastern.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #112 on:** July 01, 2003, 01:42:14 PM »

Changing a terrain to force certain play styles is the same as mandating players to play a certain way.

Terrains need to be diverse and need to offer something different to keep people from playing the same game, over and over. What would be the point of making all terrains the same? No reason to change them if the gameplay balance between all the different types of players is not slightly altered.

If every map favored furballers, a large contingency of players would complain. Make the complainers happy and the furballers scream.

In terrains, it is a given, you will never get 100% approval on the design. It will never happen. Everytime we change terrains, the list of complaints about the next terrain is equal to the praises.

It is getting tiresome seeing detractors crawl out of the woodwork to ruin a good discussion though.

beet1e · « **Reply #113 on:** July 01, 2003, 04:59:42 PM »

Skuzzy - excellent post. Hope you don't mind, but I'm adding what you said as a quote in my sig. I'm hoping Lazs and Nopoop et al will read it, understand, and learn.

SlapShot · « **Reply #114 on:** July 01, 2003, 05:21:26 PM »

There ya go beet1e, stickin your finger in someone's eye again. You could have left it as ... Excellent (not excelent) post Skuzzy.

Lazs, Nopoop, myself, and others, in all honesty feel/felt that the "move bases closer" and "change V Bases to A Bases" ideas were not FORCING (this is the key word) you or anybody to play the "furball" game. Those ideas centered around enhancing the "furball" game, and at the same time, not destroying any other aspects of "the game".

beet1e · « **Reply #115 on:** July 01, 2003, 07:06:33 PM »

Slapshot! How embarrassing - a typo! -since corrected. Damn Trust Keyboard often drops a repeated letter.

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There ya go beet1e, stickin your finger in someone's eye again. You could have left it as ... Excellent (not excelent) post Skuzzy.

ROFL! Do you think those guys have meekly listened to what I've had to say? A cosy chat over tea and biscuits? I'm telling you, I've had all fingers and thumbs shoved in both my eyes by those guys. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

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Lazs, Nopoop, myself, and others, in all honesty feel/felt that the "move bases closer" and "change V Bases to A Bases" ideas were not FORCING (this is the key word) you or anybody to play the "furball" game. Those ideas centered around enhancing the "furball" game, and at the same time, not destroying any other aspects of "the game".

Fair enough, but it would appear that Skuzzy did not agree with you. And neither did I.

Furious · « **Reply #116 on:** July 01, 2003, 07:26:27 PM »

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...Fair enough, but it would appear that Skuzzy did not agree with you. And neither did I.

But both you and Skuzzy are wrong.

Having more airfields, airfields spawn GV's too ya know, forces nothing on anyone. In fact it provides more objects to pork, for those that are so inclined. It provides more opportunities for mor people to do what the enjoy most.

HT may not want it that way, but that is not the same thing.

Toad · « **Reply #117 on:** July 01, 2003, 08:00:13 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
One is that the people who have from time to time suggested that I would never be happy unless everyone were to fly MY way are the very same people who denounce others who do not fly THEIR way.

Note that "furballing" and "furballing players" have essentially no effect on what passes for "strat" here. The converse is obviously not the case.

We've made a "tank town" for GV-centric players. Why can't there be some sort of mechanism that allows "furballers" the same courtesy?

That's the intent of what I've seen from the "fur" crowd; I've yet to see a "furballer" that gave a hoot what the "strat crowd" was doing as long as there was someplace on the map for a decent fight.

In short, the "furs" have no problem with the "strats" as long as they're still provided the opportunity to hold a "Fur Ball".

Again, it appears to me that the converse is not true.

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And another anomaly I notice is that the ones who decry organisation/teamwork/rank/chain of command etc. are the ones who positively embrace uniformity by way of their Avatar pics!

Well, I think if you puzzle a while on that anomaly, it may eventually come to you.

SlapShot · « **Reply #118 on:** July 01, 2003, 09:24:34 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Slapshot! How embarrassing - a typo! -since corrected. Damn Trust Keyboard often drops a repeated letter. ROFL! Do you think those guys have meekly listened to what I've had to say? A cosy chat over tea and biscuits? I'm telling you, I've had all fingers and thumbs shoved in both my eyes by those guys. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Fair enough, but it would appear that Skuzzy did not agree with you. And neither did I.

Just wanted to poke at your spelling the same way you felt inclined to poke at Sax's spelling of neutral ... remember !!! Again, you needed to poke your fingers in someone's eye when it really wasn't needed.

Fair enough ... lol ... I would tend to believe that those ideas were deemed sound and viable by NB and HTC due to the fact that they HAVE already been implemented in Trinity. Fair enough ?

Skuzzy, I believe, didn't disagree with what I said, nor do I believe that his post was pointed in my direction. The thrust of his thread seemed to be pointed at the general population.

Creamo · « **Reply #119 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:03:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Note that "furballing" and "furballing players" have essentially no effect on what passes for "strat" here. The converse is obviously not the case.

We've made a "tank town" for GV-centric players. Why can't there be some sort of mechanism that allows "furballers" the same courtesy?

That's the intent of what I've seen from the "fur" crowd; I've yet to see a "furballer" that gave a hoot what the "strat crowd" was doing as long as there was someplace on the map for a decent fight.

In short, the "furs" have no problem with the "strats" as long as they're still provided the opportunity to hold a "Fur Ball".

Again, it appears to me that the converse is not true.
Well, I think if you puzzle a while on that anomaly, it may eventually come to you.

This tarded topic has reached the level of naming game play styles with metaphorical names? Lol, wow.

"And the Furs and Strats were all kept equal, by hatchet, axe, and saw."

You didn’t get that goof Toad, I know, just ask Fatty of you want to know. Your as miffed as me knowing Laz pours over my stats. It's equally as weird.