Author Topic: Where Fur and Strat Collide... (Read 9317 times)

beet1e · « **Reply #285 on:** July 05, 2003, 08:26:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
And the latest post proves that he's either trolling again or he is indeed obtuse beyond all measure.

ROFL! ...and you just can't figure out which one it is.

:D

An arena within an arena? Why not. But why not just have two separate arenas? The DA is just begging to be used...

Toad · « **Reply #286 on:** July 05, 2003, 08:30:02 AM »

I just assume you're trolling. It's you're style, seems to be the way you get your jollies.

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Originally posted by beet1e
An arena within an arena? Why not. But why not just have two separate arenas? The DA is just begging to be used...

Why don't you ask that of the folks enjoying Tank Furball Arena Within An Arena also known as Tank Town on Trinity?

beet1e · « **Reply #287 on:** July 05, 2003, 08:56:25 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
I just assume you're trolling. It's you're style, seems to be the way you get your jollies.

But then again, your assumptions have been well wide of the mark in the past...

We did have an arena within an arena arrangement of sorts in WB about two years ago. Sinbad designed it, and it was called the "Generations Concept". I liked it very much. The map was divided so that you had a Pacific area, where IJN planes would fight USN planes, and a European area where you would find Spit v 109 etc. There were other areas too. Of course, the concept was too complicated for some people, who could not understand why all the planes were not available at all the airfields all the time. I think they thought it was an infringement of their "freedom".

AKIron · « **Reply #288 on:** July 05, 2003, 09:08:05 AM »

I like furballs as much as the next guy, even if he's Lazs. I'll even fight, for a while, in a furball that has become lopsided. Don't most furballs end, not because of the "flying accountants" (hey, what a kewl name for a squad) doing their strat thing, but rather because one side usually gains numbers turning it into a gangbang?

I don't think you guys have thought this far enough through yet.

AKcurly · « **Reply #289 on:** July 05, 2003, 10:31:30 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
AH has evolved.. anyone here a while recalls the 100 plus threads on changing the 1.03 FM. There have been changes in infinity... fields have been (in effect) moved closer after a similar discussion to this.

Lazs, it was an error correction. Yeah, I guess you're right about the trinity fields - but Trinity isn't Aces High - Trinity is a map.

curly

AKcurly · « **Reply #290 on:** July 05, 2003, 10:32:23 AM »

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Toad said:
I actually think it's a detour. My personal opinion is that it's being done to mollify a portion of the paying community so that work can then continue towards the true goal. But there's no proof of that; it may have
been in the plan all along.

Ok, fair enough - probably accurate too.

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AKcurly said:
I may be wrong, but I don't believe strat and furballs will work inthe same arena. Furballers want the fields closer together and that makes
many strategic objectives difficult (if not impossible) to atchieve.

Toad sez:Yeah, you're wrong.

Maybe so.

But, I will be really surprised to learn that HTC is going to make changes in the game engine to accomodate you guys -- we'll see.

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Strat and Furball already works on the Trinity map. The Tankers are Furballing in Tank Town and it has essentially no effect whatsoever on
what passes for "strat" on the rest of the map.

We just need an Aircraft Furball Arena Within An Arena similar to the Tank Furball Arena Within An Arena also known as Tank Town on Trinity.

The tank thing works until one side decides it's going to win the war. At that point, the tanker thing vanishes.

Your "Arena within an Arena" concept will fail miserably. Here's why:

When the tanker guys lose their area, most just get in airplanes and continue with the game. When you/lazs lose your last furball area, you guys are going to turn channel 1 blue with your protests and exit the arena -- much like your reaction to a sunk CV

Even a cursory examination of the "Arena within an Arena" reveals it won't work unless HTC modifies his game engine (makes certain fields
uncapturable & etc.) If you believe he's going to do that, I have some real estate in Florida I would like to sell you.

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After the Con and after Oshkosh, I probably will talk to him about giving the CV Furball idea a try. I think it'd satisfy a lot of folks that don't care for the no-skill-repeated-reuppage-numerical-supremacy-smashdown raids thatare the basis for ALL strat on ALL maps.

Really strange to hear you say combative things like that Toad Either you don't remember what you guys (TAS) used to say about the or your thinking has changed If your thinking has changed, that's cool, but why make denigrating remarks towards the part of the community that infrequently furball?

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The problem I see with the CV idea though is that it's going to take more "sea room" than the Tank Town takes up on Trinity. But I'm still thinking
about it and sketching things out now and then.

Sure. A separate arena would be ideal. I don't read the AH2 BBS much, but I gathered there will be two separate arenas -- TOD and AH Classic. Why not work on convincing HTC to make AH Classic a furball arena?

curly

Toad · « **Reply #291 on:** July 05, 2003, 10:35:21 AM »

The Tank Furball Arena Within An Arena known as "Tank Town on Trinity" shows the concept works.

Why not have something similar for aircraft?

AKcurly · « **Reply #292 on:** July 05, 2003, 11:09:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
The Tank Furball Arena Within An Arena known as "Tank Town on Trinity" shows the concept works.

Why not have something similar for aircraft?

Because it won't work? See above post.

curly

Toad · « **Reply #293 on:** July 05, 2003, 11:15:21 AM »

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Originally posted by AKcurly
When you/lazs lose your last furball area, you guys are going to turn channel 1 blue with your protests and exit the arena -- much like your reaction to a sunk CV

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C'mon Curly... when it gets boring I just log. Laz probably does too. Yeah, I said "well, CV's sunk, best fight on the map is over, cyas"

If that's turning channel 1 blue.. yer colorblind.

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Originally posted by AKcurly
Really strange to hear you say combative things like that Toad

That's a "beetle-im" Curly. It's a direct quote, see a few posts up. I was mocking him a bit, sorry. Just another example of him being for choice.

Note again I'm only asking for a Tank Town type operation WHICH IN NO WAY AFFECTS THE REST OF THE MA.

My sig block stands.

Stringer · « **Reply #294 on:** July 05, 2003, 01:52:15 PM »

I was on yesterday furballing between A2 and A44......

The strat guys were all complaining that the furball there was draining resources for the mother of all resets or somesuch. And Habu was on about how the furball is a waste of resources...blah blah blah...and how A44 needed to be either porked, captured or both for the greater good of bishlandia.

THAT's the problem.....one side can and does influence how the game is played......and the strat guys don't like seeing a furball happen. They think it's a waste of everyone's time and resources.

So what....if THAT big of a furball was going on, don't ya think ALOT of people liked it that way????

And geewhiz, they didn't even have to go to some DA or something. The point here is not to seperate the masses, ala someone's suggestion, but to accomodate different game styles within the hundreds of people found in the MA on a daily basis.

Why do the strat guys hate to see a furball develop so much??

beet1e · « **Reply #295 on:** July 05, 2003, 04:02:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Mr. Toad
Note again I'm only asking for a Tank Town type operation WHICH IN NO WAY AFFECTS THE REST OF THE MA.

Mr. Toad.

Mr. Toad's utopian vision for the MA in no way threatens the strat players - it's just plain redikulolous.

muckmaw · « **Reply #296 on:** July 05, 2003, 04:20:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Stringer
Why do the strat guys hate to see a furball develop so much??

I think you're generalizing here.

I'm a self-proclaimed strat guy with a minor in furballing, and I could'nt care less if there's a huge furball going on.

If people are having fun, great.

There's always enough people to gather 10 together for a mission to take out and capture a field.

*shrugs*

Massive furballs never bothered me.

Shane · « **Reply #297 on:** July 05, 2003, 04:26:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Stringer
Why do the strat guys hate to see a furball develop so much??

because, son, there's a war to be won!!! this is no time to be off doing something that doesn't help the war effort!!!

BGBMAW · « **Reply #298 on:** July 05, 2003, 04:58:56 PM »

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and his companion in booze and gutters... bbgmaw

lmfao..i wish u could smell the puke

and MAW dont all furball..some of our guys caN BARely get off the runway..we take all types..so saying MAW dont furball is part wrong part right..we do have many ftrs the..ice-urb Bg-40dog-me BiGB-Amreo-Slapshot-T2-and many others.so stfu with ur clumping all togeter..yeswhen sqaud nght we all work togeytehr..

fuk this game is finre right now...u telln me u cant fly early war in hewre????lmfao..i suppose next thing u want no vulching?
Sht i fly a hurricane alot..slow as hell..but dam fun...i never fly more then 1 sectr away from base tho..

give it a break nerds...

actaully keep typing...just a few less monkys in the MA:p

Love
BiGB

Toad · « **Reply #299 on:** July 05, 2003, 05:47:01 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Mr. Toad.

Mr. Toad's utopian vision for the MA in no way threatens the strat players - it's just plain redikulolous.

No matter how "redikulolous" I may be or may become, I'll never hold a candle to you.

BTW, the "Tank Furball Arena Within An Arena" is NB's vision. I'd have never thought of an Aircraft Furball Arena Within An Arena without his trailblazing vision. So, all credit is really due NB.