Well it's started the CIA s planting evidence and digging it up...

[Sandman]

[Eagler]

you guys are mistaken ...

that was just a 55 gallon drum of mechanical rose fertilizer

which leads to the question - what else is buried/hidden & where??

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what reeeally peeves the handsomehunkcrats off are the polls showing that almost 70% DO NOT CARE if WMD's are EVER found - the war was justified without them

[-dead-]

If the CIA planted that evidence they're several magnitudes dumber than I thought.

[Erlkonig]

Nash pretty much covered it.

[NUKE]

What we found today was that THERE WAS NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM! Hows about THEM apples?

So why the hell aren't people getting this? It's so shrecking... DUH. It's like invasion of the freakin' body snatchers or something.

Im getting it very clearly....Iraq's top officials ordered key components buried ( hidden) until such time they could be put to use ( after Iraq cleared by Moron, I mean Blitz).

Why dont people get that? Why hide the stuff ( stuff that was banned) rather than report it to inspectors as required?

The very fact that they found this hidden instead of having been  reported to the UN as required tells me that Iraq had no intention of complying with anything, they just wanted to hide everything they werent supposed to have in order to get UN sanctions lifted, then they could re-start everything quickly.

The mere fact is that the inspectors would NEVER have found this.

And if you think it's no big deal that they had this hidden, maybe you have to ask why it was so important to Iraq to hide it.

[midnight Target]

So Iraq was >< that close to having a bomb! All they were waiting for were those pesky sanctions to be lifted, then to dig up a 12 year old cetrifuge.. then viola! 45 minutes later....

[Rude]

The truth will be truth...regardless of what any of us think about it.

What amuses me is how badly some of you want GW and Co. to be wrong....ignore anything positive for the US or the Iraqi people.

If Bush lied, then I'll be the first to join you in calling for his impeachment. My question to those of you who seem to believe that the entire basis for his actions in Iraq are simply a fairie tale is this....

How are you so sure that during the months dancing in the UN, Sadaam and Co. didn't see the writing on the wall and relocate what WMD's he had to another country, or bury them somewhere in his country?

I mean, I can see that it's possible that our government lied to us...it wouldn't be the first time in American history. I just have chosen to support and give the benefit of the doubt to our President, until he proves it is misplaced.

Explain to me how some of you scholars can be so certain that Bush has lied and that Sadaam is innocent and pocessess no WMD. What proof do you have? Do you hang your hat on the fact that currently, none have been found to date?

Did the UN unanimously agree that he did have stockpiles remaining back in 98 when inspections terminated? Do you believe that on his own, with no coercion, he simply destroyed what the UN's final accounting of his WMD inventory was....he just chose to give up those weapons and rule conventionally?

I could be wrong about Bush....are you so filled with hatred of the man that you wouldn't admit the same?

[midnight Target]

I don't think Bush etal lied. I think they either saw what they wanted to see in the intelligence, or they chose to ignore the "yes but's" the intelligence community were telling them.

Exaggeration is probably the worst thing they did.

[Puke]

I only read the first few posts and it seems to me that the argument being made is in the wrong place.  Instead, to me, the article shows just how difficult it will be to find anything in Iraq.  This stuff was buried in some guy's backyard under some roses.  Chem/Bio weapons can fit in shaving-cream cans and be buried anywhere, some of which may have been buried going way back to the early 1990s leaving little trace/evidence.  Remember, Saddam couldn't account for a lot of the bio/chem stuff that even the UN knew he had because Saddam documented it in a list after his defeat in the first Gulf War.  He couldn't provide proof it was destroyed and we couldn't provide proof of where it was.

[AWMac]

I think I'll go on Ebay and get me a 12 year old centrifuge....

TO POOP ON !!!

[Nash]

"Sooo Nash you think Saddam ordered this stuff buried after the 1991 cease fire and WMD restrictions just for the hell of it?"  - Grunherz

Ok well if you READ the article Grun you'd know that Hussein didn't order the scientist to burry the part. Hussein's SON did. For all we know Hussein had no IDEA that this part was still around.

Imagine this:

Husein to son: Well that's it. We gotta kill the nuke program.

Son to Hussein: Are you serious? But DAD!

Husein to son: I'm sorry Qusay but's that's it. The program is over. Burry it.



In any event, it was the son-in-law Qusay that ordered the parts burried, not Hussein. That takes care of your question Grun. And yours Nuke.

It's all fine and well to say "This part was burried so the program could be restarted after a hibernation period", but there was a long period when there were no inspectors and the nuke program wasn't taken out of hibernation. There goes that theory. And that still doesn't square with the fact that the Bush admin was going ahead and misleadingly telling the entire world that the nuke program already was out of hibernation when we know now that it had NO evidence at all to support that claim.

Lets see.... Okay Rude as usual you didn't say anything except "you hate Bush, you HATE him" .

I found an incredible article a few days ago... it's everything... give this a look:

The Selling of the Iraq War: The First Casualty

[NUKE]

Imagine this:

Husein to son: Well that's it. We gotta kill the nuke program.

Son to Hussein: Are you serious? But DAD!

Husein to son: I'm sorry Qusay but's that's it. The program is over. Burry it.

 

In any event, it was the son-in-law Qusay that ordered the parts burried, not Hussein. That takes care of your question Grun. And yours Nuke.

LOL, you mean hide it, not destroy it, not bury it , per se but HIDE it.

And how does that answer my question? I said top government officials order the parts hidden. Why not just give it to UN inspectors and look like the good guys they are? Why hide it? I see no valid point in hiding it other than so it wouldnt be found and so it could be preserved.

[Nash]

"Exaggeration is probably the worst thing they did." - MT

Misleading Congress, the country, and the entire world to support and in fact take part in a war is several magnitudes beyond exageration in my world.

[Nash]

Nuke, your "top officials" consisted of just the son-in-law Qusay.

Qusay was the guy who told the scientist to burry it. Maybe he had evil plans for the peice of gas centrifuge for after Hussein died or something. It's not outside the realm of possibility that Hussein had no idea that this thing was still around in someone's garden somewhere.

You're suggesting that it was hidden in order that it be dug up and put into use at some future point in time. I'm saying a) there were years of opportunity with no inspectors around to dig it up and restart the nuke program and it didn't happen. What were they waiting for? And b) why was Bush telling everyone that this nuke program was going on? We both know now that he didn't have any intelligence to support that. No satelite photos of things that weren't there. No witnesses to things that weren't happening.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Nash - seriously - think on this for just a few seconds, and your clearing of Saddam Hussein as having a hand in the burying of the centrifuge will look pretty redundant.

Hitler didn't sign any orders, he didn't put his name down on anything except a few orders - but the rebuilding of the LuftWaffe, authorization of Jewish genocide, his name appears on none of those documents.

He left that to his minions.

Qusay told the scientist to bury it, 99.99_% probability Saddam told Qusay to tell the scientist to bury it.
-SW