Well it's started the CIA s planting evidence and digging it up...

[john9001]

give it up nash, your hero saddam lost the war and your grasping at straws.

neo-liberals, oh brother.

[Nash]

I'm grasping at straws? 'Oh brother' is right.

[10Bears]

The world must help the United States stop Iran and North Korea from acquiring nuclear weapons if it wants to avoid military action like in Iraq, U.S. national security adviser Condoleezza Rice said Thursday.
"We don't ever want to have to deal with the proliferation issue again the way we dealt with Iraq," Rice told the International Institute for Strategic Studies.
"If you don't want a made-in-America solution, then let's find out how to resolve the North Korean case and the Iranian case." ---

http://www.nj.com/newsflash/international/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?a0581_BC_Britain-Rice


Here is one of the consequences of lying to the world..  Condi may very well be right but due to loss of creditability, most likely nothing will be done about NK or Iran.

Very nice write up there Nash.. Did you read that very long article in New Republic?.. I’ll try and find the link..

Oh BTW, do you guys know the CIA records all phone calls?.. Hmm I wonder if the Bushies know that..

[Rude]

Originally posted by midnight Target


So Iraq was >< that close to having a bomb! All they were waiting for were those pesky sanctions to be lifted, then to dig up a 12 year old cetrifuge.. then viola! 45 minutes later....

MT....is this discovery the endall....by this little dig should we just leave and believe it's all ok?

Again, this has very little to do with the truth....these discussions are politically driven at their source....Bush should have never been elected in the first place...he's not bright enough to be president, he's this, he's that.

How easy it is to stand in judgment of another, all with the luxury of never walking in that persons shoes. I contend that if we knew the WHOLE truth about any issue, it would scare the hell out of us and we would all quickly realize how comfortable ignorance really is.

[Frogm4n]

dont forget that the shelf life of the gas that iraq had the ability to make pre-1991 was only 6 weeks or less. i think the president will escape this debacle because he managed to get around lieing about things by using half truths and having his spokesmen take all the heat.(like giving colin powell forged documents to deliver to the UN.)

I wish our governent had a system more like englands where the different oposition groups can sit and critize what the prime minister does and the prime minister can defend him self face to face with his critics. if you havnt seen this in action check it out on cspan someday. its what one would expect from a true democracy.

[john9001]

one more time ...the USA is a republic, not a "true democracy"...but i nit pick...if you like england better, move there.

[Frogm4n]

actually im going to do the american thing and stay here and vote for changes and let my voice be heard. screw you and your facist ways.

[Nilsen]

wake me up when they find something really interesting that matters....... like WMD or some other dangerous device

[Syzygyone]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
I wish our governent had a system more like englands...

 That battle was fought and lost by your kind over 200 years ago!  I'm personally glad England lost, but maybe that's just me.  No offense Dowd ole Bean!

Originally posted by Frogm4n
its what one would expect from a true democracy.

 Read some more history Froggie.  The U.S. is a republic, not a democracy.  It never was a democracy, and England sure as heck isn't either!

What kind of dream land do you people live in anyway?
Sheesh!:rolleyes:

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Rude
MT....is this discovery the endall....by this little dig should we just leave and believe it's all ok?

Again, this has very little to do with the truth....these discussions are politically driven at their source....Bush should have never been elected in the first place...he's not bright enough to be president, he's this, he's that.

How easy it is to stand in judgment of another, all with the luxury of never walking in that persons shoes. I contend that if we knew the WHOLE truth about any issue, it would scare the hell out of us and we would all quickly realize how comfortable ignorance really is.

No Rude. If you were to take the time you would see that I was never against involvement in Iraq. I think Bush and friends oversold the issue to garner support. I don't see any evil in pointing that out. I hope I am wrong, and that WMD are found in droves. I'm not so sure this will ever happen now and that is sad for the future war on terrorism.

Trust is golden in the world of politics.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
People like Nash restore my faith in common sense.

Nash wrote:

  Ok well if you READ the article Grun you'd know that Hussein didn't order the scientist to burry the part. Hussein's SON did. For all we know Hussein had no IDEA that this part was still around.

Imagine this:

Husein to son: Well that's it. We gotta kill the nuke program.

Son to Hussein: Are you serious? But DAD!

Husein to son: I'm sorry Qusay but's that's it. The program is over. Burry it.    

Care to rethink your opinion of Nash?  Lets see he regularly attrivutes all sorts of devious motives to the USA but proposes that we simply take Hussein at his word and belive he was happily disarming and ordering his comabtive evil sons to stop their WMD programs.  If only Saddam knew!  Really Nash are you so hateful of Bush and the USA that you are willing to attribute such wildly optimistic and fanciful peaceful  intentions on Saddam?  Are yuou nuts?

[Nash]

lol what the hell kind of reply is that? I don't even know what to do with it.

Uh... whatever you say, I guess, Grun.

btw., I aint hateful of the US. I happen to think it's the bees knees. I truly love the US... warts and all.

[GRUNHERZ]

Its very simple, why are you so ready and willing to attribute such peaceful motives to Saddam Hussein?

[Nash]

You know what Grun? At this point I reckon it's about time for YOU guys now to start answering the questions. Such as why you're so quick off the mark to defend every single action of the Bush admin. The facts have backed me up quite nicely so far, thank-you-very-much. They aint doing a thing for you...

This thread started out with high-fives by the likes of you and Syz over this wonderful WMD discovery. I answered everything you asked. I pointed out how this shows that there aint even a nuke program to begin with. You haven't had a thing to say about it beyond pulling out the typical "USA hater" nonsense... and for some reason I get pity from Syz. It's not escaping my notice that you guys haven't been able to rebut anything I've said. And all I get are more questions....

Such as now, asking why I'm willing to attribute such peaceful motives to Saddam Hussein. In actuallity I aint attributing nothing to nobody. It's Y'ALL that have accused Iraq of a WMD program. YOU guys are doing the attributing. But it's comin' up way short and nobody seems to have an explanation for THAT.

Care to give one?

[GRUNHERZ]

I say he was hiding stuff from the inspectors as the UN has said countless times - thats a fact.

He hid these components to restart his nuclear bomb program at some time in the future.


But you must answer why you think he would not resatrt his WMD probgram and why you are so willing to say naive things like:


Imagine this:

Husein to son: Well that's it. We gotta kill the nuke program.

Son to Hussein: Are you serious? But DAD!

Husein to son: I'm sorry Qusay but's that's it. The program is over. Burry it.



Why?