Author Topic: Any way to fight in 190's? (Read 1974 times)

mia389 · « **Reply #60 on:** July 09, 2003, 07:19:53 PM »

Oh yes I do know the rest:-0 seriously any 190 coalt with P38 will die if it dont run or HO ya. 109s can get good sometimes depending whos flying it but P38 will out do it coalt. 109e4 and f4 give me problems though. I think what an idiot hes taking that G10 and trying to turnfight me and next thing I know hes on my 6 :-( . I gotta get better at identifing the 109s. I have had some 190 fights where were both slow but I get thrown off with the sicorss. Roll rate horible in P38 when slow.

MrCoffee · « **Reply #61 on:** July 09, 2003, 07:36:36 PM »

Some of my longest fights were 190 vs 109, especialy the G10. Usually turns out me chasing him and hes faster. I usually dictate my fights. Then the after a period of time the G10s come back at me. The F4, G2, G6s often try to TNB me. I fly 109s also so I know them well enough. 190 vs 109 is a fun fight.

Widewing · « **Reply #62 on:** July 09, 2003, 07:58:16 PM »

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Wildwing why would you assume that the 190 would just continue the scissors? If I see him going vertical, then I pull vertical and you end up in a vertical scissors. It's a wild ride either way you look at it and you know your in a fun fight.

mars01

Too late. Your airspeed will be too low to get the nose up high enough to do anything about it. Especially if your enemy has a good climbing, and hence, good accelerating fighter. For example, an La-5FN, or a Spitfire Mk.IX being two.

In fact, I tend to agree with Mandoble that the most dangerous fighter in this game is a Spit9 with an altitude advantage piloted by someone who knows how to fly it, which fortunately, usually isn't the case.

In general, I find the defensive scissors a move of desperation. I can't think of a single instance where the target escaped destruction. I can't over-emphasize that once you realize a defensive scissors is required, you've already screwed the pooch big time.

I simply will not scissor with the enemy, except if I'm flying a really underpowered aircraft that scrubs E like a racing tire. There are several very effective ways to quickly end a scissors fight. However, you need to know what to do and when to do it. That means knowing the full capabilities of your fighter and your opponent's fighter.

My regards,

Widewing

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #63 on:** July 09, 2003, 10:00:30 PM »

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In fact, I tend to agree with Mandoble that the most dangerous fighter in this game is a Spit9 with an altitude advantage piloted by someone who knows how to fly it, which fortunately, usually isn't the case.

Seeing as how the Spit IX is pretty much the best all-around fighter plane in the game, a Spit IX with altitude really shines. Hard to disagree there.

Except that Mandoble keeps talking about Spit Vs in this thread, or at least he keeps responding to people who are talking about Spit Vs. And while a Spit V with an altitude advantage poses as serious a threat as any plane, I wouldn't put it in the same league as the Spit IX. A 190A5 with air beneath it at least has some escape options against it.

-- Todd/Leviathn

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #64 on:** July 10, 2003, 01:54:20 PM »

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May i add again that i was talking about an a5 and spit5 low and slow on the deck in sissors?

A5 has no surviving chances at all.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #65 on:** July 10, 2003, 02:48:32 PM »

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a5 can go vertical after take off at 100mph

Are we playing the same AH???? Or do you mean SpitV?

krazyhorse · « **Reply #66 on:** July 10, 2003, 03:32:01 PM »

i find rolling scissars to be an effective move, usally the enamy can be forced into an over shoot situation,

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #67 on:** July 10, 2003, 04:32:16 PM »

TW9, with 190A5, WEP ON you can hardly take off at 100mph, no way at at to go near vertical. In your film, your frustrated attempts were done at 125 mph, not 110, and at the end you were well below 50% of fuel, and no, no vertical climb at 100 mph at all.

Take also into consideration that due fuel burn rate, usually the 190A5 will fight with no less than 60% of fuel taking off with 100% or 75% + DT. You will need a lot of WEP usage in that plane, and that has a high fuel cost.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #68 on:** July 10, 2003, 04:38:52 PM »

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Take also into consideration that due fuel burn rate, usually the 190A5 will fight with no less than 60% of fuel taking off with 100% or 75% + DT. You will need a lot of WEP usage in that plane, and that has a high fuel cost.

Thank goodness the 190A5 possesses almost twice the WEP time of the Spit V... not to mention drop tanks to compensate for the extra fuel burn.

You are correct that a low and slow A5 in a scissoring fight with a Spit V stands almost no chance of winning, but yet again you're trying to talk down the capabilities of a very decent plane.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Urchin · « **Reply #69 on:** July 10, 2003, 04:55:11 PM »

The 190A5 is a great plane in context with other planes that are similar to it. It stacks up pretty well against the Spit V, P-47s, P-38, P-51s. La7s, Spit IXs, and N1K2s are superior in just about every way possible.

MrCoffee · « **Reply #70 on:** July 10, 2003, 05:18:52 PM »

Spit IX and some Niki's can give me some problems but I dont worry too much about La-7s unless they are flown by uber La-7 pilots. I TNB with La-7s, good fights.

La7s cant hit very well when they're going too fast and if they slow down, they're a fair fight for 190s, specially the A5.