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« Reply #360 on: August 06, 2003, 04:38:32 AM »
most here agree with that.  it's not a judgement on the gay person, but a judgement on the morality acts that is the issue.

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« Reply #361 on: August 06, 2003, 05:57:36 AM »
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if he was quoted fairly in the link you posted, he's got some scarey ideas.  

of course just because he's a freak doesn't mean he's wrong on all issues.

for example your freind.  from your description an outstanding human being, with a huge problem on just one issue.


Underwager: Take the risk, the consequences of the risk, and make the claim: this is something good. Paedophiles need to become more positive and make the claim that paedophilia is an acceptable expression of God's will for love and unity among human beings. This is the only way...

So you can accept what this guy says about homosexuals (because you happen to agree with him), but that his "other" views are just wrong?  

I think that homosexuals (and the issue of gay marriages) are the least of societies problems with this type of person around.
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« Reply #362 on: August 06, 2003, 05:58:41 AM »
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If homosexual behaviour is learned, can someone please explain why it exists in other species?
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Are you saying other species cannot learn?

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And why it would be caused by genetics in at least on mammalian species, as has been scientifically proven, and not in humans?
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Is a hormone anomoly during prenatal actually genetic?  There are birth defects which cannot be passed to the next generation that are due to pre-natal factors which are not genetic in nature, as they do not affect the gene.

I believe that true genetic differences are actually modifications of the blueprints, not manufacturing anomolies.
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« Reply #363 on: August 06, 2003, 06:07:57 AM »
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« Reply #364 on: August 06, 2003, 07:57:24 AM »
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read it and was unimpressed.

not surprised to find that this is the opinion put out on a sight called    http://www.religioustolerance.org, ran by "Onterio consultants on Religious Tolerance"  .  would seem to me they have an agenda.  not exactly an unbiased clinical report.


What was biased? What about the other site?

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« Reply #365 on: August 06, 2003, 08:45:33 AM »
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Until someone decides to actually read the evidence I posted I am out of here. Try dealing with solid issues instead of feelings for a minute.


MT....not unlike this BBS, the internet offers many scientific and sociological studies that counter the links you posted.

More opinions....mankind will never agree on this or many other topics. I personally feel homosexuality is wrong....do I hate them? Absolutely not....God himself loves us all, it's the behavior that he hates.

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« Reply #366 on: August 06, 2003, 08:48:35 AM »
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Don't you recognise him?

Dr. Ralph Underwager, M. Div,. Ph.D.,

See Rude's post.


Curv....stand down my friend....I just grabbed the first article I found supporting the school of gay by choice and not birth.

My point in doing this was simply to show that for every post of one school of thought, the opposing school is represented as well.

It's a crazy world.

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« Reply #367 on: August 06, 2003, 09:24:28 AM »
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MT....not unlike this BBS, the internet offers many scientific and sociological studies that counter the links you posted.

More opinions....mankind will never agree on this or many other topics. I personally feel homosexuality is wrong....do I hate them? Absolutely not....God himself loves us all, it's the behavior that he hates.


This Site provides over 200 links to scientific articles and PDF files on the biological aspects of homosexuality. Opinions have nothing to do with scientific analysis.

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« Reply #368 on: August 06, 2003, 09:32:57 AM »
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Shamelessly stolen from Fatbat on agw, who copied it from elsewhere.

Passing strange that some people only follow the "word of God" when it suits their bigotry.


"Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the
odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around me. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have
to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. "


What about another Leviticus.

Leviticus 19:18, "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.".

Or how about.

Matthew 7:1, "Judge not, that ye be not judged.".



I was gonna stay out of this goofy thread, but the above post, while I'm sure intended as a good old "Gotcha!" wreaks of ignorance of basic bible knowledge. The old testament verses quoted above apply to absolutley NOONE today according to the bible itself.

The Old Testament was law ONLY for Jews BEFORE christs death.

The book of Leviticus is a book of law from the old testament. It was for the jews Before the time of Christ. After Christs death the old testament was fulfilled, "nailed to the cross". Read the book of hebrews. Pay close attention to chapters 7-9. Paul is trying to get the jews to leave the old mosaic law.  Paul was a jew himself before being converted to christianity. He worshipped according to the old law (animal sacrifices, etc) early in his life, yet after his conversion to christianity he no longer lived under the mosaic law.

And Matthew 7:1, another scripture that gets plucked out of context, is a warning to people not to harshly judge other people. Which is a basic bible principal. I haven't seen any "judgement" in this thread. Just pointing out that homosexuality is wrong according to the bible? Is that judgement? Paul himself pointed out sin and corrected his brethren in all his writings. Judgement is saying "You're a studmuffin and you're going to hell!" without looking at your own life and correcting your own problems (again read through verse 5 or so)

But anyway, whether you're a christian or not, at least pull things from the rulebook correctly.

Well looks like I'm fair game now. Throw the mud clods. :p

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« Reply #369 on: August 06, 2003, 09:35:38 AM »
hmm, something just hit me. I think dr. Laura is a jew, so that letter would be relevent to her. But it wouldn't be to christians.


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« Reply #370 on: August 06, 2003, 09:36:35 AM »
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Curv....stand down my friend....I just grabbed the first article I found supporting the school of gay by choice and not birth.

My point in doing this was simply to show that for every post of one school of thought, the opposing school is represented as well.

It's a crazy world.


You have no idea how relieved I am to hear THAT.  I figured as much, but glad to hear your confirmation.
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« Reply #371 on: August 06, 2003, 09:45:30 AM »
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I was gonna stay out of this goofy thread, but the above post, while I'm sure intended as a good old "Gotcha!" wreaks of ignorance of basic bible knowledge. The old testament verses quoted above apply to absolutley NOONE today according to the bible itself.

The Old Testament was law ONLY for Jews BEFORE christs death.

The book of Leviticus is a book of law from the old testament. It was for the jews Before the time of Christ. After Christs death the old testament was fulfilled, "nailed to the cross". Read the book of hebrews. Pay close attention to chapters 7-9. Paul is trying to get the jews to leave the old mosaic law.  Paul was a jew himself before being converted to christianity. He worshipped according to the old law (animal sacrifices, etc) early in his life, yet after his conversion to christianity he no longer lived under the mosaic law.

And Matthew 7:1, another scripture that gets plucked out of context, is a warning to people not to harshly judge other people. Which is a basic bible principal. I haven't seen any "judgement" in this thread. Just pointing out that homosexuality is wrong according to the bible? Is that judgement? Paul himself pointed out sin and corrected his brethren in all his writings. Judgement is saying "You're a studmuffin and you're going to hell!" without looking at your own life and correcting your own problems (again read through verse 5 or so)

But anyway, whether you're a christian or not, at least pull things from the rulebook correctly.

Well looks like I'm fair game now. Throw the mud clods. :p


I don't recall anything in the New Testament regarding homosexual activity...
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« Reply #372 on: August 06, 2003, 09:57:06 AM »
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I don't recall anything in the New Testament regarding homosexual activity...


Romans chapter 1

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« Reply #373 on: August 06, 2003, 10:06:23 AM »
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Romans chapter 1


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« Reply #374 on: August 06, 2003, 10:22:54 AM »
Romans Chapter 1 vs 1:

 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,  
   
    Rom 1:2   (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)  
   
    Rom 1:3   Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;  
   
    Rom 1:4   And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:  
   
    Rom 1:5   By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:  
   
    Rom 1:6   Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:  
   
    Rom 1:7   To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [to be] saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.  
   
    Rom 1:8   First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.  
   
    Rom 1:9   For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;  
   
    Rom 1:10   Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.  
   
    Rom 1:11   For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;  
   
    Rom 1:12   That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.  
   
    Rom 1:13   Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.  
   
    Rom 1:14   I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.  
   
    Rom 1:15   So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.  
   
    Rom 1:16   For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.  
   
    Rom 1:17   For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.  
   
    Rom 1:18   For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;  
   
    Rom 1:19   Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.  
   
    Rom 1:20   For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:  
   
    Rom 1:21   Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.  
   
    Rom 1:22   Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,  
   
    Rom 1:23   And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.  
   
    Rom 1:24   Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:  
   
    Rom 1:25   Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.  
   
    Rom 1:26   For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:  
   
    Rom 1:27   And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.  
   
    Rom 1:28   And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;  
   
    Rom 1:29   Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,  
   
    Rom 1:30   Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,  
   
    Rom 1:31   Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:  
   
    Rom 1:32   Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.  

According to what I read here homosexuality is on "evil" par with:


Vanity (Rom 1:21)
Saying you are wisw, but being a fool (Rom 1:22)
Producing sculptures of God in the form of animals etc (Rom 1:23)
Masterbation (Rom 1:24)
Serving a "creature" instead of God (?) (Rom 1:25)
Vile affections etc..possibly anal sex with a woman, not sure (Rom 1:26)
Being gay is spelled out in Rom 1:27
Having a reprobate mind, whatever that is (Rom 1:28)
Lots of nastiness in Rom 1:29
Being mean to your parents, and being a backbiter (Rom 1:30)
Convenant breakers (Rom 1:31)
Dunno what Rom 1:32 is trying to say.

So..Romans 1 Chapter 1 has a whole lots of things we shouldn't do in them, not just being a homosexual.

Where does it say that masterbation is LESS of an offense to God than being gay?

I have a feeling ALOT of guys on these boards are going to hell.
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