Least popular planes...

[StSanta]

At the time I am writing this, 20238 planes have been shot down in Tour 7. Some, like the Spitfire and FporkU's and 190A5's are quite popular, while others see little action.

Since I am bored and there still is an hour to tennis practise; some statistics.

The P-51D has 1142 kills and has been killed 1008 times. K/D: 1.14. Awright, not bad, positive k/d ratio.

The Bf 109G-10 has 1201 kills and has been killed 962 times. K/D: 1.25. Even better.

The Spitfire Mk IX has 2136 kills and has been killed 2059 times. K/D: 1.04. A bit surprising considering how many newbies fly it. Very popular aircraft.

The B-17G has 747 kills and has been killed 1100 times. K/D: 0.68. A bit surprised to see this,  as I usually get at least one fighter if attacked. Maybe ackstarring has had an effect (or rather, vulching otr ackstars)

The P-47D-30 has 1464 kills and has been killed 1253 times. K/D: 1.167. New plane, but has quickly become a favourite amongst many.

The M-3 has 150 kills and has been killed 245 times. K/D: 0.61. Surprisingly good, maybe thanks to ack kills.

The A6M5b has 452 kills and has been killed 729 times. K/D: 0.62. Can flip on a dime, but seems most are put off by its lack of speed.

The Yak-9U has 285 kills and has been killed 314 times. K/D: 0.91. Very few fly this aircraft, and I am a bit surprised why. It's a great all around aircraft, if with a limited ammo load.

The Fw 190A-5 has 2057 kills and has been killed 1323 times. K/D: 1.54. Wow, very popular plane, and great k/d ratio. But get it slow, and you will kill it  

The Panzer IV has 1572 kills and has been killed 1198 times. K/D ratio: 1.31. Tankers unite  

The Typhoon IB has 195 kills and has been killed 178 times. K/D: 1.1. Too bad we see few of these out there; like the A8, she is deadly in the hands of the dedicated pilot

The M-16 has 978 kills and has been killed 979 times. K/D: almost 1.0. An eye for an eye, baby.

The C.202 has 37 kills and has been killed 76 times. K/D: 0.49. Obsolete and hardly ever used.

The P-38L has 1079 kills and has been killed 1517 times. K/D: 0.71. Flown right, 40 kill streaks is the result. Flown wrong, a big fat juicy target.

The Spitfire Mk V has 318 kills and has been killed 504 times. K/D: 0.63. Syuffers from the Zeke problem.

The F4U-1C has 2306 kills and has been killed 1357 times. K/D: an astonishing 1.7. Compare this to the D and then say Hispanos aren't the difference, and I will slap you  .

The Bf 109G-6 has 159 kills and has been killed 212 times. K/D: 0.75. This plane has IMHO the worst traits of the G10 and the G2 put together, with none of eithers virtues. Others disagree with me, naturally.

The Bf 109G-2 has 87 kills and has been killed 93 times. K/D: 0.93. Don't count out the G2; it's quite a capable aircraft, but one of the least popular.

The Bf 109F-4 has 92 kills and has been killed 165 times. K/D: 0.55. Old old plane, but in some pilots hands it sings  . Unpopular.

The B-26B has 582 kills and has been killed 781 times. K/D: 0.75. Lack of enough defensive guns is probably the main cause. That and vulches on ackstars.

The F4U-1D has 157 kills and has been killed 285 times. K/D: 0.55. Now isn't this just interesting? Compare it to the C, which has 1.7. The difference is quite noticeable and cannot be explained by merely superior flight characteristics; the difference is not that great. Anyone still doubting why the C is called One Ping Wonder?

The C.205 has 463 kills and has been killed 460 times. K/D: 1.01. Has a small and loyal following.

The Fw 190A-8 has 398 kills and has been killed 451 times. K/D: 0.88. Flown properly, quite deadly. Great for jabo too.

The N1K2 has 1505 kills and has been killed 1471 times. K/D: 1.02. Fairly well balanced

The La-5FN has 138 kills and has been killed 177 times. K/D: 0.78. It has been many days since I last saw an LA-5.

The C-47A has 56 kills and has been killed 462 times. K/D: 0.12. Defenseless little bird.

So, what do the stats tell us?

The new 190A5 has quickly gained momentum, alongside the P-47. Both are doing well.

Am a bit surprised about the A5's high k/d ratio.

The A6M, Yak, Typhoon, c202, 109F4, G2, G6 and F4UD are rarely seen and do not do well in terms of score. Late monster aircraft fare better.

The cannons are the main difference between succces and failure amongst F4UC dweebs; without the capability to get One Ping Kills, they scatter and die with great ease. Sobbing, they run back to their cannon armed abberation to get mommy to help out.

Well, bring yer diapers, boys, coz that 109 you will meet will be me  .

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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime

[Citabria]

I was just wondering about the mysterious disapearance of the La5, I'm actually surprised the p-38 hasn't become as rare as the La5 with the addition of compressibility and the fact that most new planes being faster at the med/low altitudes. but as you know the Lightning has some real die hard fans so it will get flown even if its the worst plane in the set  

perhaps its time to add the La7 and P-38F?  

[Vermillion]

 

The Yak-9U has 285 kills and has been killed 314 times. K/D: 0.91. Very few fly this aircraft, and I am a bit surprised why. It's a great all around aircraft, if with a limited ammo load

Its a nice performing aircraft but its anemic guns and miniscule ammo load require that you follow the enemy down to the deck, putting burst after burst into them at close range. Which means you are vulched shortly thereafter, by five stratospheric P-38 and 109 pilots.   j/k of course, but its based in truth.  There are about 5 people that regularly fly the Yak (if that many, most try it for a couple of sorties and give up).

Now compare it to the G10 which flys very similarly.

 

The Bf 109G-10 has 1201 kills and has been killed 962 times. K/D: 1.25. Even better

The difference? The big gun 30mm and the ability to carry 20mm gondolas. I am personally quite pleased with x3 20mm's in the G10 and their snapshot capabilities.

Oh wait... your a Luftwobble, I'm sorry. Its just the better Luftwaffe player pilot quality  

If Pyro comes thru with the Yak-9UT armament options, then you might see me more back in the Yak. But for now... I will stay with the G10 experiment this tour.

Actually, I decided to try out the G10 again this tour, since I hadn't flown one since mid-beta.

And guess what??

You may not believe me, but its handling qualities have improved significantly. Its much more docile now than it use to be, and much easier to fly.

In fact, I would classify the G10 and the Yak to have very similar trim/torque effects now.

Just thought I would chime in and give you a little hell,  since I knew you were a 109 pilot  

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[Downtown]

Them Russian birds are nasty low, but yes anemic guns, and everyone looking down to vultch something on the deck decreases their life expectancy.

I fly the P-47D-30 Almost exclussively now, I admit I am fond of the plane, but am puzzeled by its apparent lack of performance at altitude?  I almost got into a fight with a 1C at 25+ K last night and we both couldn't turn with each other till we got to thick air.  By then we each had new fights and too much separation?

Could the P-47D-30 Not Turn above 25K?  Everything I read says it could?  When I fly that high in AH it stalls in turns and falls! Falls!  Faalls! and spins that take 7 or 8K to get out of!

I am not happy about High Alt performance, NO SIR!

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[Duckwing6]

At least i'm not the cause for the way negative exchange ratio on my beloved D .. i'm still in the positive even tho the bad slump i have  

47:11

H O G

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[Nath-BDP]

30mm is worthless against players living far from the server... countless times I've loaded tons of 30mm into B26s and 17s at 150-250 and nothing happened except maybe engine oil leak and its usually a Japanese pilot in the buff... so... 30mm is useless apart from 1v1 and it takes alot of skill and patience to use effectively.

[Vermillion]

Nath, I have seen many 109 pilots that will argue that with you.

Even still, just take the x3 20mm's + x2 13mm MG's. Its a very effective loadout.

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Vermillion
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[BUG_EAF322]

That p38 could be much much better
as long as it has E and altitude.

at 2 or 3 miles i make a big loop or go straight up most plane don't climb like it.

what's left mostly is a slow target fighting his stalls. Ready to get shot.
The 38 is a great plane. no doubt about it.

the most problem i have is with n1k and the fast 109's they also climb better   and n1k turns like a spit too . it's a nasty one

but being opportunistic in H2H  i mostly get a 3-5 score record is 10 .
u also have too lookout for those incoming and decide the right moment to get away and come back higher with more speed.

Spitfires and zero's don't have much chance against the 38 just booom and zoom them  

I hope i get a creditcard soon.  

because i don't like sending money in a envelope

AH rules

S! mates

[Westy]

 Downtown I'm a bit perplexed as to your experience with the Jug at 25K.  I DROOL when I see enemy counters while in a P-47-D30 at that alt because nothing can touch me in speed or verticle maneuvers. I may be the  last one take advice from but try not turning and instead roll into your victim. Or use your superior speed to do a hi yo-yo on them or even a chandelle. Most aircraft start wallowing like a pig at 25k or higher and this is where the Jug really starts becomes a super star.
 Coalt with bogies at 5 to 10K and I get nervous. But coalt at 25K and I'm eager for the fight  

 -Westy
 

[Nath-BDP]

Gondolas have too large an impact on performance, if I was just hunting buffs all day sure I'd take gondolas but if I run into a 51 I can't even catch it on the deck.

[Ripsnort]

Lets see, the G10 can outclimb, out run, and out turn a Chog, yet, the Chog has a better K/D ratio...that tells me alot about the pilots in a Chog!  
(So much for Hristos "LW Superior" theory!)

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[Saintaw]

I am the person responsible for the low K/D of the D Hog, me & myself only !  


Duck Brings it up, I bring it down  


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[Torque]

I't not Hog it's friggin HAWG friggin newbies


atta boy nath japanese sounds alot better than Japs.

[Zigrat]

Westy,
ever fight a p38 in a jug at 25k? ain't easy  

[StSanta]

Verm:

I find the Yak to roll better, have much less need for input, handle better in climb, equally at low speeds.

Regarding the guns; gondolas  give too much drag and performance degradation for me; I never fly with them. The YAK has 340 rounds of cannon ammo; the G10 standard 150.

In terms of firing time, I've clocked the following:

YAK
Out of cannon: 9.11 seconds
Out of mg: 11.02 seconds

109G10
Out of cannon: 12.69 seconds
Out of mg: 21.71

Now, the YAK has a higher ROF and two 20mm. This, to me, shows that the YAK armament is superior to the 109's. Mg's on the 109 last longer, but are nearly useless. I rtb when out of cannon, and use only mg in acts of self defense. Usually, it takes the whole remaining amount to down just one fighter.

So two guns vs 1, more than twice the ammo load, higher ROF, and about the same range (i.e need to move within 350-300 yards to get kill).

If I was not a Luftwaffe Knight, I'd fly the YAK  .
I do not think it has anemic armament  

Well, it *is* anemic compared to the following:

P51, max guns:
Outboard mg's out: 21 seconds
Inboard mg's out: 30.23 seconds

Spit 9:
Cannons out: 21 seconds
mg's out: 18.5 seconds

F4U-C:
Cannons out: *21.57* seconds

P-47D-25, max guns and ammo:
Mg's out: *32.09*

Of course, there are many things to consider; lethality, ROF, muzzle velocity, number of guns, but this clocking give ya a good idea.

 

The difference? The big gun 30mm and the ability to carry 20mm gondolas. I am personally quite pleased with x3 20mm's in the G10 and their snapshot capabilities.

Heh, I enjoy discussing things with you Verm; you really know your stuff. I am also happy to disagree with you at any given time and place  

30mm; too slow for fast moving and maneuvering fighters; meet a good stick and it is very hard to get a kill.
Gondolas: as I've mentioned, too great a penalty flight wise. Again, meet a good stick and you will die. I always fly as if I will meet a good stick. Mostly because citabria takes great pleasure in searching for me  .

So, the difference between a G10 standard and a YAK-9 in terms of gun actually work out in favour of the YAK.

I am pleased with the G10 snapshot ability too, mostly because I get *very close* before I open up.

Your mileage may vary.

 

You may not believe me, but its handling qualities have improved significantly. Its much more docile now than it use to be, and much easier to fly.

Or you've become better at it  

It accelerates a good deal slower, and all of it cannot (in the way I understand prop drag) be attributed to prop drag. After vertical input, it has a tendency to slip down and to the left, which it didn't have before. Other than that, I still LOVE my G10  

Heh, always fun discussing with ya Verm; I still remember exploding in yer face, only for it to have the same effect as pissing in your pants has; it feels warm and good at first, but soon it is cold and stinks.

Ripsnort, you allied opportunist dweeb:

 

Lets see, the G10 can outclimb, out run, and out turn a Chog, yet, the Chog has a better K/D ratio...that tells me alot about the pilots in a Chog! (So much for Hristos "LW Superior" theory!)

The Bf 109G-10 has 89 kills and has been killed 81 times against the F4U-1C.

Heh, the c hog is a vulchers dream; one ping HO monster. See the post I am about to make about HO's for my opinion on it  . It takes little skill to kill with this aircraft.

You forget to mention that the F4-C outguns, outdives, has better hi speed handling than, outrolls, has better endurance than the 109G10. A skilled F4u-C pilot *should* be able to out scissor a 109G10, or lose him in a dive with maneuvers. And then, of course, go for the HO, which any intelligent 109 pilot avoids like the plague; 109 guns are simply too inferior to head on anything but a blind deer with a malfunctioning shotgun.

LW pilots are superior to allied opportunist dweebs  

Long post, again. Getting to be a habit  .



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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime