Least popular planes...

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by Torque:
I't not Hog it's friggin HAWG   friggin newbies  


atta boy nath japanese sounds alot better than Japs.  

Santa, fly one for 1 tour, bet you $10 you don't get a 5 to 1 K/D ratio.  

NO Torque, for backwater boys like you its HAWG...  

   



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[Zigrat]

Nah, i have decided its NOT allied pilots that r inferior, its PONY pilots   P38 and F4u and and p47 pilots cannot always run from everything, so they aren't quite as opportunistic  Plus, people make fun oif spit dweebs but i think it must take much frustration to always having people run away, so <S>

[Wanker]

While I'm not surprised by the results, I wish more people would give some of the lesser utilized planes a chance:

La5fn- Nice little bird, with good cannons(and ammo!). Just don't do anything in the horizontal with it.

C205- Underestimate this plane, or the pilot in it, and you will find yourself hitting the silk. Fast, with good manueverability, the 205 may be AH's best kept secret.

Typhoon- Ah, my bird of choice. Good ol' Tiffy has four Hispanos, very good low level speed, and is a tempestuous beast. Only real men fly the Typhoon in AH's dangerous skies. The only plane I know of that is as hard to take off and land in, as it is to fight in.

[VISCONTI]

c.202

give us the real 12.7mm and i promise a K/D of 1.5 for that bird on next tour  

 


ok ok ok, at least a K/D of 0.85  

[BUG_EAF322]

"LW pilots are superior to allied opportunist dweebs"

opportunism is all u need to become a ace
without dieing offcourse  

bravery lays on the graveyard (turnfights)
and better chicken than death (runaway)

i guess surviving was the main goal off all fighterpilot's
the one who survived gained experience.

i saw once 5 percent made 95 percent off the kills in WO II.

So what did the other 95 percent do?

 

[Toad]

Well, what happens when we focus on Air-to-Air kills?

Here's a view of the F4U-1C vs the FW190-A5 when you remove ground vehicles and the denfenseless C-47 (simply a big, slow target) from the Tour 7 stats.

F4U-1C

Totals 2316 Kills, 1359 Killed

then subtract ground vehicles and the defenseless flying target...

against M3 36/3
against Panzer 209/123
against M16 226/102
against C47 51/6

Totals 1794 Kills 1125 Killed

k/D is 1.59

Now the FW190-A5

Totals 2093 Kills  1336 Killed


against M3 23/13
against Panzer 13/35
against M16 103/58
against C47 34/2

Totals 1930 Kills  1228 Killed

K/D is 1.57

in an Air-to-Air engagement, the F4U-1C is clearly no more "Uber" than the FW-190-A5.

Now I'm of the opinion that if we are going to compare aircraft as FIGHTERS then we ought to subtract the M3, M16, Panzer and C-47 kills and then run the stats.

If you want to examine the ground attack capabilities, use just the M3, M16 & Panzer kills.

I wouldn't ever include the C-47, unless maybe it was in the "vs Target Drone" stats!

 

[Ripsnort]

AMEN TOAD!!!

[Nath-BDP]

Nath11 has 51 kills and has been killed 5 times in the Fw 190A-5.

Nath11 has 39 kills and has been killed 8 times in the Bf 109G-10. (2 deaths from ineffective 30mm against buffs)

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[Vermillion]

In regards to me flying the G10

 

Or you've become better at it

Possible, but I honestly don't think so. Usually I have a pretty good feel for the handling of the different aircraft, and Its my feeling that somewhere since the beta the G10 has gotten a "tune up".

As to G10 performance (And this one makes me laugh     )

   

Regarding the guns; gondolas give too much drag and performance degradation for me; I never fly with them

Heheh degradation in regards to what? Even with Gondola's, the G10 climbs faster than a Pony, accelerates faster than a Pony, and is at least as fast (I think its faster, but I would have to test it to be sure). Plus it has about 65% more total firepower, and much better snapshot capability (the nature of cannons vs. MG's). So your still outperforming just about every aircraft in the inventory in the most important categories, and you have more firepower too boot.  The only major category thats significantly degraded is in roll rate, that I will agree with you. But I can live with that.

On the Yak Armament

   

Now, the YAK has a higher ROF and two 20mm

Umm.... No.  The Yak-9U has the exact same armament setup as the standard 109. A single 20mm cannon that fires thru the hub, and is located inside the V of the engine. Plus, two nose mounted (above the engine) heavy MG's (12.7mm vs 13mm).

And I believe you have the MG and Cannon ammunition capacities switched in your example. I think the Yak's 20mm ammunition amount is pretty close to the G10's.

And the difference between the 20mm MG151/20 and the 20mm ShVak is essentially negilible. Both guns even have the same installation weight of 42kg.  The important statistics of the two guns.

MG 151/20  20mm x 82 ( 92 g) 740 rpm  800 m/s
ShVAK  20mm x 99R ( 96 g) 800 rpm  860 m/s  

 

So, the difference between a G10 standard and a YAK-9 in terms of gun actually work out in favour of the YAK.

So the difference between the basic armament loads of the two aircraft is *nothing*, or its so small as to have to no true effect on gameplay.

The real difference is that the 109 series has the option of the Mk108 30mm (even if some pilots don't like it), and the ability to carry gondola's.

Just having the option makes a big difference    

 

Heh, I enjoy discussing things with you Verm; you really know your stuff

I aim to please  

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

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[Soda]

Zig, you think that it's bad to not be able to chase in a Spit... you should try the not being able to run, that's worse.  I can't tell you how many times I've tried to run only to find myself caught by 3 or 4 cons and had to scrap it out until the death.

That's why I liked when the Zero arrived, finally something a Spit can run from.

Soda

[Swager]

Wow!  Just imagine how well the A5 would of done if I didn't fly it!!!

 

[RAM]

   

Originally posted by Toad:
in an Air-to-Air engagement, the F4U-1C is clearly no more "Uber" than the FW-190-A5.

I'm going to disagree with you in this,toad, and I know this may make some people mad at me     at least a bit like people is at hristo in this matter...

the bulk of people flying Fw190A5 is ex-Fw190A8 fliers. Remember the impressive K/D score for the A8? was always over 1, and close to 1.2K/D each tour. Impressive for the heaviest worse turning SOB in this planeset...

look at the A8 stats this tour. It is clear that MANY people (imcluding me) jumped from A8 to A5...and to be a outstanding A8 driver means you are one of the finest sticks in this sim (ask Udie ,or Weazel, or Hristo, or Berserkr...) because it really requires a lot of "touch" to fly it well.

Flying A5 like A8 you are going to raise a way bigger K/D in it than you believe. Its better acceleration and climbing makes it a better plane but the bassic advantages (rollrate,weapons, dive and zoom) are the same...plus you can win those last angles that you couldnt do in A8. If you dont start getting greedy the survivability in this plane is great...thats why the K/D is so impressive...thats why A5 shines bright.

So this is a case of the pilot,not the plane...in F4U1C there are a lot of damned good sticks (Torque the best hands down), but there are a lot of people who only know to come from 10K avobe you, do a diving HO and hope for the 4 hispanos to do a one-ping death...there is a good example of this guy ,one who uses to raise 3-4 kills each sortie, one that AFAIK never shot me down in anything but a HO. I wont say his name because he knows who he is, and dont want to start a personal thing here...

But while many hawg C drivers are real magicians of the sky there are some suckers who only know to spray ,pray, hit 2 pings kill a con and run to home if there is any con less than 2K under him. You wont find many examples of this between A5 drivers.

and dont look my stats,I'm not one of those "best sticks",not by far...I suck in all planes    


<Flame suit on  >


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[Zigrat]

Well, im gonna disagree with RAM, i think the c hog is pretty damned fair as is. I flew it a bit today, and yes, i made awesome snapshots, but in a close fight i think the 190a5 has the edge. 1on1, co-alt the 190 will win every time.

I think in A2A engagements, the c hog is fine as-is.

A2g is another matter.

[Ripsnort]

     

Originally posted by RAM:
   ...and to be a outstanding A8 driver means you are one of the finest sticks in this sim (ask Udie ,or Weazel, or Hristo, or Berserkr...) because it really requires a lot of "touch" to fly it well.


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No good words for your CO that helped ya in the 190 !?!

Tour 1 thru Tour 5 190A8 K/D Ratio:
Berzerkr: 1.34
Ram- 1.66
Weazel- 2.26
Udie- 2.37
Ripsnort-4.2  
Hristos- 7.2




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[Zigrat]

Oh other thing is versus buffs, i think the f4u is a tad strong. but in fighter to fighter it is a fair airplane unless u are on the deck and cannot avoid headons.