Author Topic: Woot-woot! widdly-widdly... 109F4 (Read 1556 times)

B17Skull12 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 19, 2003, 03:28:35 AM »

hehe i am slowly becoming a master.been flying the thing whole tour.im getting ok. i find best sucess HO and aiming for engine. was funny, today huge huge huge huge furball at 4. this 190 was chasing me. when he was in side 1k i would brake hard right. all his shots missed

. we did that a few times before my E ran out and i fliped and augered. My squaddie had a field day with the 109F4 one day. he just kept landing 2 kill sorties.

skull12

GScholz · « **Reply #16 on:** August 19, 2003, 04:09:03 AM »

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Originally posted by B17Skull12
this 190 was chasing me. when he was in side 1k i would brake hard right. all his shots missed . we did that a few times before my E ran out and i fliped and augered.

You couldn't beat a 190 in the Fritz? Then you have a lot to learn my young apprentice!

The Fritz is about 10mph faster than the Spit IX below 20k, can turn with the Spit IX at medium speeds and outturn it at very low speeds using flaps. The Fritz is cleaner than all the other 109's and dives very well, and it doesn't compress so fast.

IMHO the 109F4 is the perfect MA plane. It's only vice is it's lack of firepower, but don't get tempted to use the gondies, they pork the Fritz (don't listen to Shane, he's just trying to trick you into becoming easy fodder for his El Gay 7

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Blank · « **Reply #17 on:** August 19, 2003, 04:36:25 AM »

Skull12 its good your haveing fun as thats what its all about when it comes down to it,

but if you want some help I would gladly help, as I hate to see anyone use a HO as a prefered method of attack, I'm just an average pilot but I'm sure I could help raise your k/d above 0.1, PM me if you see me in the MA i'm a bishop

beet1e · « **Reply #18 on:** August 19, 2003, 04:57:58 AM »

I can see I'm in the company of many 109 aficionados here.

Some very good points here, chaps. I like the one made by mia389 about the con not knowing which 109 you are in. That scenario featured in at least 4 of the 16 kills I got yesterday in the 109. The ones that were getting tripped up the most were P51/LA7/Yak(assume 9U). BTW, In Brand-W, the 109E had the colouring of the 109F in AH, and the Brand-W 109F was a sort of brown thing with a white nose - flying türd as I used to think of it. Gawd, I was crap in 109s in Brand-W.

-possibly the worst 109 pilot in the game.

Urchin - I take your point about the Spit9. But in AH, so many guys try to force the HO that if I justfly over the top of the Spit, then roll into a 90° banked turn, maybe use a click of flap, the Spit tries to climb up but can never get guns solution. Sometimes I could get the guy after he stalled out and mushed, or another friendly would do the job for me.

No complaints about 109F performance or handling. And I was using gondolas.

GScholz · « **Reply #19 on:** August 19, 2003, 05:32:34 AM »

If you prefer big furballs then go ahead and take the gondies, you'll need the firepower to avoid being the assist king of the gang. However if you're like me and enjoys smaller fights, even 1 on 1's then the clean config is for you. Take 75% fuel and a droptank, burn off 25% of the main tank first while climbing before burning the DT. Depending on the opposition you encounter you can keep the DT to extend you flight duration, typically if I encounter a non-turning plane in an inferior E-state I keep the DT and climb back up after executing the poor bastidge. Typically after you've pickled the DT you have 25% to fight on and 25% to get back home.

I just love to dive on El Gay 7's, throttle back and watch their futile attempts to avoid me saddling them up and riding them for all their worth. In a 1 on 1 I really enjoy just torturing them to death with the 7.92 mm's.

Puuuuurdy! Nowotny's colors if I'm not mistaken.

Kweassa · « **Reply #20 on:** August 19, 2003, 05:40:15 AM »

Pretty good plane to use, when a CV attack starts. Outperforms both the Seafire and the FM-2, can fight against the F6F-5 in very eual terms. You aren't gonna catch many F4Us, tho' .

Shane · « **Reply #21 on:** August 19, 2003, 07:45:06 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
IMHO the 109F4 is the perfect MA plane. It's only vice is it's lack of firepower, but don't get tempted to use the gondies, they pork the Fritz (don't listen to Shane, he's just trying to trick you into becoming easy fodder for his El Gay 7 ).

bah! i slap la7's around with various 109's in the CT. 109g10 isd a great la7 killer.... 109f4 is a tad too slow if they start running, but if they turn... yummy... altho' an la7 down low can give the 109's some trouble with that climb and power/accel they have - not a quick kill vs an la7 who has a clue.

having said this, 109f4 is as someone mentioned, a great perk potato and it can hold it's own in the MA.

gofaster · « **Reply #22 on:** August 19, 2003, 08:21:59 AM »

I flew the 109F a lot last year, got good turnfighting in it, then tried the G10, got good in HO'ing in it, then tried the Yak9U, got REAL good in it, went back to 109F and was disappointed in the performance, but still had fun doing the alt-dive-alt thingy, then tried the Ki-61 (since it has the same motor as the 109E) and realized that I'd found my calling.

Try the Ki-61 or the C.205 if you like the 109F with gondolas.

RTR · « **Reply #23 on:** August 19, 2003, 10:06:00 AM »

Some good info here, thanks folks. As one who is slowly starting to figure the 109 out (IE I get an occasional kill in it before I explode), it is a help.
Skull12, I agree with Shane, find a better way than HO. At best you can expect to die or take damage 50% of the time, and if you HO a Tiffie or Hurri IIC you are gonna pay dearly. (as well as the other "heavy hitters in the game).
"In a 1 on 1 I really enjoy just torturing them to death with the 7.92 mm's". ROFL Gscholz, did your mother never tell you not to play with your food?
Cheers
RTR

Blank · « **Reply #24 on:** August 19, 2003, 10:21:49 AM »

torturing with 7.9mm mg LOL

they only tickle and with prolonged use could cause a rash to develope.

if i recall correctly i think i once did cause some damage to a plane with the 7.9mm once,

seriuosly though the only practical use is to use them to scare a running nme into turning by spraying from miles away as they extend.

Phantom4 · « **Reply #25 on:** August 19, 2003, 11:27:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
Pretty good plane to use, when a CV attack starts. Outperforms both the Seafire and the FM-2, can fight against the F6F-5 in very eual terms. You aren't gonna catch many F4Us, tho' .

I don't feel dominated by 109F4's in an FM2. Over the last 5 tours I am 60-40 vs 109's in general, and 8-4 against 190F4's in particular. I respect 109's most of the good 109 pilots are consumate B n Z er's and are dificult to kill. You can't make many (or any) mistakes against them and expect to live.

Eagler · « **Reply #26 on:** August 19, 2003, 12:28:31 PM »

the 109f is a piece of junk, can't turn- no firepower

all the 109's are overrated

wouldn't be caught dead in one

Shane · « **Reply #27 on:** August 19, 2003, 12:38:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
the 109f is a piece of junk, can't turn- no firepower

no kidding... it used way too much 7.62 (approx 200 rds) at 100 yds to take off a 51b's tail.

dam thing blows monkey chunks. it should be removed from the planeset.

Dawvgrid · « **Reply #28 on:** August 19, 2003, 12:39:11 PM »

I'll take the G6 anytime.

Furball · « **Reply #29 on:** August 19, 2003, 12:55:48 PM »

Eagler or Shane you should take Mr. B17Skull12 aka. '109F-4 Master' to the DA and show him how good it can really be.