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Offline 6GunUSMC

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« on: August 31, 2003, 06:26:59 PM »
I know it is impossible to keep teams completely even in the MA, however, something has gotta give.  I don't mind a bad night here and there but really the last few weeks have been ridiculous as far as numbers for the knights.  Yes, I know that at other times it has been rooks or bish to have the same misfortune.  I don't have much time to play the game and it is frustrating to log on and see Bishops: 157  Rooks: 130  Knights: 60.  Maybe if we added a couple of teams, or dropped one team?  Oh yeah... this is just a suggestion, for those who think it is a whine...

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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2003, 07:25:22 PM »
I've always thought the three-sided map made no sense. I mean, I understand the desire to have battle lines drawn so every opponent can attack every other opponent ...... and I understand that when there are 4 or more political territories involved that it's hard (if not impossible) to achieve this ... but ....

.... it should be obvious that a map with three political forces does little to achieve balance .... if balance is the goal. Oh sure, in theory if the numbers become lop-sided and one side gains numerical superiority, one may tend to think that the two smaller groups would band together for mutual protection ... but it is seldom that one force is so numerically superior, for one thing. Usually it's one force with numbers, another with numbers not much less and the third who's numbers have dropped long enough to assure it's demise. It's apparently more appealing to the majority to take advantage of a situation to overwhelm an opponent with less numbers to acheive the coveted reset, for another. Hell, it's generally a race to see which of the two sides with numbers on their side can do it first.

And yes, I've seen every side practice this. Apparently the perks earned from a reset are just too tempting to consider any other option than the the game of "AH Risk."

But it's always puzzled me to some extent as to why HiTech chose a three sided layout with chesspieces for "country" affiliations. Doesn't it seem to make more sense that with a name like "Aces High" that card suits are more fitting? And that being the case, that a four-sided map would fit in better? Not only as a fitting theme but as a better chance to achieve balance? Even if the map couldn't be designed where all four sides share a border with every other opponent (which I contend can be arranged if neutral areas are included as well), it seems to be a better chance of alliances of balance to exist in such a setup.

Then again .... things always seem to make sense before they are actually tried.

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« Last Edit: August 31, 2003, 07:51:19 PM by Arlo »

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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2003, 07:36:08 PM »
right back at ya.

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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2003, 08:13:38 PM »
No bad words in the post.

No sentences in CAPS.

Did not threaten to quit.

Didn't personally attack anyone.

.5 points for the tho..

Overall ??

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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2003, 09:29:29 PM »
[sniffle]Awww widdle knitties getting bullied by the bishy's and rooks[/sniffle]


oh well nice to see some other side in the bucket, be sure nice to see bish in that hole for a month... that might even break a record..


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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2003, 09:30:12 PM »
If anyone thinks its a whine just come knight. It does suck,, and its a race between bish and rooks who can take knight bases quicker, therefor bish and rooks dont fight each other much. When Rooks get heavy numbers they will fight bish though. When bish get real heavy numbers the steam roll the knights. Been like this for the last couple of months. It used to balance out cause knights would get numbers at night. Seems we lost alot of pilots though.

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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2003, 09:31:49 PM »
heh was looking at my films and have 4 of them,,, me at 18k with enemies 7 to 1 odds higher then me :-( damit put a alt limit on country with numbers hehe

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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2003, 12:40:46 AM »
Dingbat Wrote:

[sniffle]Awww widdle knitties getting bullied by the bishy's and rooks[/sniffle]
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I remember not far back the Rooks appealed for help because of the uneven odds. I also remember players and squads moving to the Rook side to help out. Now it's the Knights in trouble and see what we get. We get the same thing in the arena too.

This stuff is supposed to be fun, but some of you are so mean spirited you take the fun away. Personally, I don't want any help or consideration from the BishRooks. The Knights will go on and make of this game what we can regardless of the attitude of others.

The trouble with the imbalance, players switch to the other teams to be on the winning side. So it self perpetuates and grows worse. I can't understand why the other teams aren't concerned about this too. After all, how much fun is it really when your opponent is unable to fight back? If that's what you want, it would be a good idea to force every knight to switch to another side. Then the BishRooks can race to see who gets all the knights bases first without that pesky opposition you people try so hard to avoid.

Of course, if HTC did away with the idiotic arena capture, an uneven side wouldn't matter so much and we wouldn't have as many players defecting to the team who's ahead.

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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2003, 08:18:43 AM »
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Originally posted by Grizzly
Of course, if HTC did away with the idiotic arena capture, an uneven side wouldn't matter so much and we wouldn't have as many players defecting to the team who's ahead.


Grizz...

Having played AW before 'capture the world' was instituted there, I believe you are wrong. For many, it is all about 'winning'. Funny, but, after looking at some of the college football scores from this weekend....AH isn't the only place this happens :D.
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2003, 08:29:42 AM »
ya, but have you seen our perk multiplier?! :)

20 perk sorties are hardly uncommon like this.

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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2003, 09:00:52 AM »
Hey! What happend to the "Target rich enviroment" attitude?!:D

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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2003, 09:18:56 AM »
we had a four sided war in WB's and it was much worse.   So far.. three sided is the best.
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2003, 10:14:23 AM »
Well, this indeed is the same situation the Rooks had to deal with for about a year. About the only time the Rooks could approach parity was when they scheduled an RJO.

A few squads came over to balance the arena when weeks went by with the Rooks constantly out-numbered by up to 4:1. Some only stayed for a few weeks (like the AKs), and one or two stayed for good. Although the Rooks never achieved real parity in numbers, they had enough to avoid getting perpetually ganged. Remember, there are several squads that rotate countries on a regular schedule.

This seems to be a normal evolution in the MA for both the Rooks and the Knights. The Bishops seem to have the higher numbers until late in the evening (east coast time). Typically, numbers are highest for the Rooks on Sunday as many squads use Sunday as their squad night. Likewise, on other nights Rook numbers fall. It's during morning hours when the Rooks have the smallest contingent of the three.

I'm sure that the numbers will swing in a different direction as the rotating squads switch countries.

Meanwhile, the Knights will do as the Rooks did; learn to fight better at a disadvantage and simply tough it out till things change.

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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2003, 11:09:53 AM »
Most nights I prefer to fight against the enemy country with the largest numbers.    There are a couple situations that this isnt true,  But mostly thats my mind set.  

As Rook,  Iv been in that situation.  I dont complain about it,  I just make the best of a difficult situation.   I do realise some people dont like a difficult fight,  but It does force you to improve as a pilot.  

I wonder,  How many Knights log when they see the sides are not very even?   I am sure there are some.    This of course makes the situation worse.    There are some that will side jump, this has a doubling effect.  

Maybe a squad or two will come to your aid from the bishops or rooks. I would think you just need to build country loyalty, organisation, and try to make it more fun to be a knight.   Then maybe people will fly more and keep your numbers in line with the others.  

Best of luck in your plight.

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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2003, 11:10:40 AM »
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Originally posted by Grizzly

Of course, if HTC did away with the idiotic arena capture, an uneven side wouldn't matter so much and we wouldn't have as many players defecting to the team who's ahead.


Well , your right there. It wouldn`t matter because if it was done away with the game would go belly up within a month or less. :D
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