Keep it even...

[SKurj]

Grizzly, I was one of the members of our squad lobbying to move to rooks when they were outnumbered.

When we did make the change, several squad members left the squad to return to one of the larger countries.. that truly sucked.

Think we are gonna switch back over to knights now...  NOT if I have any say in it...  even if we get outnumbered once again.

BTW did you and your squaddies come help Rooks?


SKurj

[Grimm]

Originally posted by Grizzly

This stuff is supposed to be fun, but some of you are so mean spirited you take the fun away.

Of course, if HTC did away with the idiotic arena capture, an uneven side wouldn't matter so much and we wouldn't have as many players defecting to the team who's ahead.

Grizz,

Your right about the mean Spirited part.  
 
There is IMHO a difference between foiling your enemy and getting a rise out him  (I call spread the hate) and actually wanting to make it so bad that people dont want to fly and cant enjoy themselves.  It seems like there is plenty of just plain bad will around.   :/

Also,  I would agree with you,  the System set goal of winning the war tends to drive the steamroller.   I would like to see an attempt at changing the Goal of the MA.    I dont know what the best proposal has been,  but I have seen several.  

Being on the short end of the stick day isnt a big deal if swings every few days.   I can see where it would frustrate folks if it continues for weeks.

[Grimm]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Well , your right there. It wouldn`t matter because if it was done away with the game would go belly up within a month or less.

Respectfuly Jackal,   I dont agree with you.   I think if something was done to change the focus of the MA away from Land Grab and more to Air Combat,  I think it would improve things overall.  

I am not saying, no captures or destruction of facilities.   I am saying that maybe the ultimate goal should maybe be something other than reduce the enemy to a couple of closed bases and steam roller him off the map.

This can can evolve and Aces High has all along,  with the numbers we see now in the MA, perhaps this is something that bears (pun for grizzly) looking into.

[Hornet]

The "war" focus needs to be shifted away from taking airfields and focused on strategic targets and a country's industrial capabilities. The missun planner appeals to strat guys and HT needs to find a way to integrate the skills of a good strat player into success in the arena, ie organization, timing, navigation. Right now the only skill necessary is to not be embarassing by your Pork N Auger attacks.

The real frustration is that players that seek to be successful destroying enemy aircraft have to learn from tactics that were historically successful, angles and geometry do not change.

Unfortunately in AH the strat guys can be extremely successful without any sort of air superiority over their targets. Historically that just wasn't the case and it is looked upon with frustration by the air-to-air guys who actually have to practice their craft.

[Grizzly]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
Grizz...

Having played AW before 'capture the world' was instituted there, I believe you are wrong. For many, it is all about 'winning'. Funny, but, after looking at some of the college football scores from this weekend....AH isn't the only place this happens .

With all due respect NB, win what? One can celebrate winning a fight, or capturing a hard fought battle for base. But why the entire arena? Even in your Tank Town, it's glorious fun, untill someone captures it.

You mentioned football. Well, consider the arena as the league with all the battles going on within as the games. Winning will still be there, and it doesn't have to disrupt the play of others fighting their own fight.

Note the words "hard fought battle" above. This is the fun of AH and was the fun of WB and AW before it. What glory and pride is there in capturing an arena, with a mob of players rolling over the opposition, avoiding a fight to get to a base, against a country you outnumber three to one, when they have to hold off another enemy on another front at the same time? Aside from some perk points, that the overpowered country can earn on one sortie, there's very little reward. That's why I say, why not have a country without any players that the other two can race to grab bases from? Not much different than the land grab to capture the arena that we see now. I ask you, because being a Knight I wouldn't know, doesn't it get old?

But the Knights can handle it. Last night, like many others, we had some very intense battles and a great time. And those lovely perk points! They pile in by the hundreds, and cheap rides. It's all good, I salute the enemy that favored us with some great fighting. But no glory to the arena porkers.

[Grizzly]

Originally posted by SKurj
Grizzly, I was one of the members of our squad lobbying to move to rooks when they were outnumbered.

When we did make the change, several squad members left the squad to return to one of the larger countries.. that truly sucked.

Think we are gonna switch back over to knights now...  NOT if I have any say in it...  even if we get outnumbered once again.

BTW did you and your squaddies come help Rooks?
SKurj

My squad hadn't migrated to AH yet. I was a Bish then and did move to the Rooks. But when "The Knights of BigWeek" formed, I just had to move to the Knights to play with them.

I don't mind the country balance we have now. But I hate when the entire arena gets caught up in the capture frenzy and we don't have enough bases to avoid the mass gang-a-thon. I've nearly stopped flying because of this. I found I can do much more damage defending with AA than getting ganged every flight.

[ccvi]

Do you know what the real problem is? Two coutries gang-banging one. Why does this happen? Because if one country is down BOTH of the other countries are feeling like winners.

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by Grizzly
With all due respect NB, win what? One can celebrate winning a fight, or capturing a hard fought battle for base. But why the entire arena? Even in your Tank Town, it's glorious fun, untill someone captures it.

Grizz...the respect is backatcha . Contrary to what some of us would like (or want to believe), the game these days is "capture the flag". Think about it, for many it isn't "how you play the game", it's about beating your opponent senseless. Then standing over him and laughing. IMO, it's a byproduct of the mass market. The vast majority play to win (the fight, the field or the arena...your choice ).

Originally posted by Grizzly

You mentioned football. Well, consider the arena as the league with all the battles going on within as the games. Winning will still be there, and it doesn't have to disrupt the play of others fighting their own fight.

Unfortunately, your analogy doesn't quite fit. The arena isn't the league, it's the game.

Originally posted by Grizzly

Note the words "hard fought battle" above. This is the fun of AH and was the fun of WB and AW before it. What glory and pride is there in capturing an arena, with a mob of players rolling over the opposition, avoiding a fight to get to a base, against a country you outnumber three to one, when they have to hold off another enemy on another front at the same time? Aside from some perk points, that the overpowered country can earn on one sortie, there's very little reward. That's why I say, why not have a country without any players that the other two can race to grab bases from? Not much different than the land grab to capture the arena that we see now. I ask you, because being a Knight I wouldn't know, doesn't it get old?

Welp...you are askin the wrong person. Been a Knit for a couple of years now . The Damned went Knit a couple of years ago when things were much the same as they are now. Hell, I just look at it as the "cycle of virtual nature" . For me, the only time it gets really annoying is when the Rooks do one of their Sunday conquer the world things. Mainly because it is usually the Knits they focus on .

Originally posted by Grizzly

But the Knights can handle it. Last night, like many others, we had some very intense battles and a great time. And those lovely perk points! They pile in by the hundreds, and cheap rides. It's all good, I salute the enemy that favored us with some great fighting. But no glory to the arena porkers.

Ditto to that

I have suggested something that might work a couple of times. Give perks to the winners and the losers. Then the 2nd placers might look at dogpiling the losers a little differently.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by lazs2
we had a four sided war in WB's and it was much worse.   So far.. three sided is the best.
lazs

WB's also has country specific planesets assigned to each side. That changes the equation ... just a tad bit.

[mia389]

Originally posted by Grimm

I wonder,  How many Knights log when they see the sides are not very even?   I am sure there are some.    This of course makes the situation worse.    There are some that will side jump, this has a doubling effect.  

 

I know this is really hurting us too. About 3/4 of my squad doesnt show up anymore. Some come on then say hell with this Im loggin. I dont blame them but just sucks it comin to this. I would like to change countries once inaway so our squad would fly together again. If all knights did that would be a 2 sided war i guess :-)

FBsmokey

[B17Skull12]

this is driving me crazy. i dont mind the oddest 1 bit in fact i like them. that war i get to fly my 262 for about half off the normal price. usually the day knights have numbers is tuesday. a week ago a knight was tellin everyone to go bish so htc would be forced to fix this country stuff where 1 country is being ganged and out numbered. a few of us said on channel 2 that we will never go to bish. (i was 1 of them.) guys i belive htc will keep it 3 countries. what they should do is send all the newbies to out numbered side. until the numbers are close to even it should sned them to that side. then when numbers are even. first newbie is bish second newbie is knight thrid newbie is  rook. i think that would work.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by B17Skull12
this is driving me crazy. i dont mind the oddest 1 bit in fact i like them. that war i get to fly my 262 for about half off the normal price. usually the day knights have numbers is tuesday. a week ago a knight was tellin everyone to go bish so htc would be forced to fix this country stuff where 1 country is being ganged and out numbered. a few of us said on channel 2 that we will never go to bish. (i was 1 of them.) guys i belive htc will keep it 3 countries. what they should do is send all the newbies to out numbered side. until the numbers are close to even it should sned them to that side. then when numbers are even. first newbie is bish second newbie is knight thrid newbie is  rook. i think that would work.

Not gonna happen because:

1: Squad affiliation/friends online

2: The freedom to switch sides (even with a 24 hr moratorium applied afterwards). I don't see HTC disabling this feature for the sake of a server controlled balance system.

3: Numbers is only part of the equation. And even then, seeing the number statistics at the bottom of the roster page doesn't give a player the entire picture of that part of the equation (though some seem to think it does).

I may suggest, as a way to handle the system, as is, without petitioning for some sort of "coding fix" to handle our own inabilities when it comes to two sides ganging on one:

Have some volunteer (as individuals or entire squads) to switch for a day and attack one foe from another (pick a fight between your enemies). If you're a knight and you don't like bishops ... go rook and attack bishops. If you're a knight and you don't like rooks ... go bishops and attack rooks.

BUT ..... most of all ..... don't get twisted about it all. Keep having fun. It's a game. Those who persist at defense should have the mentality of enjoying defending against great odds. Those who switch and attack one foe from another should enjoy the aspect of trying to change the complexity of "politics" in the game through subtle manipulation. Then ... those left ... who can't enjoy either ... may as well log, because they're just gonna try to make everyone else just as miserable as they are about it.

I call it the "Don't have a cow, man" approach.

[BlackCross]

Originally posted by Grizzly

This stuff is supposed to be fun, but some of you are so mean spirited you take the fun away. Personally, I don't want any help or consideration from the BishRooks. The Knights will go on and make of this game what we can regardless of the attitude of others.
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Dude, Why are you Shiating in your own sandbox to keep others away?  Yea some people are mean spirited, but not everybody.

This attitude that you are presenting reminds me of a three year old pouting, and saying to anybody that tries to help, "I do it myself!" to the extent that NOBODY wants to help the kid out cause they will get screamed at by the kid for helping.  

I've been personally burned so may times for "helping out" the side with the low numbers, by people with your attitude that I won't do it any more.  Just tired of hearing,

"Get out of here SPY!"

"Go back to the Bish/Rooks/Knights, WE don't need YOUR help."

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The trouble with the imbalance, players switch to the other teams to be on the winning side.

Yea you get some people like that in every GAME.  Then you get some people that want to even out the sides and "play fair".

So it self perpetuates and grows worse. I can't understand why the other teams aren't concerned about this too. After all, how much fun is it really when your opponent is unable to fight back?

Originally posted by Grizzly

This stuff is supposed to be fun, but some of you are so mean spirited you take the fun away. Personally, I don't want any help or consideration from the BishRooks. The Knights will go on and make of this game what we can regardless of the attitude of others.

You have answered your own question.  Which is it do you want; help, or go it alone?  Your crying for help, but defiantly stating that you will go it alone.  Make up your frigging mind.

[nopoop]

Originally posted by Arlo
WB's also has country specific planesets assigned to each side. That changes the equation ... just a tad bit.

Not at one time Arlo, way back when there was an RPS but all planes were available to all countries.

The purkles were pretty much Pony dweebs and orange  had a lot of men of leather. Reds were ackstar whiners and the green guys...were green.

[Grizzly]

Originally posted by BlackCross
This attitude that you are presenting reminds me of a three year old pouting, and saying to anybody that tries to help, "I do it myself!" to the extent that NOBODY wants to help the kid out cause they will get screamed at by the kid for helping.

What are you talking about attitude? This was a response to SKurj and his comment pretty well matches the comments in the arena when the problem is mentioned. It seems you have your own demons that need tending.

You have answered your own question.  Which is it do you want; help, or go it alone?  Your crying for help, but defiantly stating that you will go it alone.  Make up your frigging mind.

I didn't ask for help... I said I didn't want it. I was pointing out a disparity, the cause and how it would be in everyone's best interests to change things. Unbalanced sides will always happen. But the type of game play we have in AH takes advantage of this unbalance and feeds off it as players migrate to the top team.

I didn't say anything unreasonable. You may have had a bad experience, but I didn't cause it.