Author Topic: Is this a realistic sim? (Read 1079 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **on:** August 10, 2000, 06:27:00 PM »

Hi

I am thinking of getting into this game and I downloaded it yesterday. Been flying around offline practicing with the different planes and generally having fun learing a new FM and such. But reading some of the posts and watching some of the films on the websites has got me worried about the realism of this sim. First some things like using B17 to run down fighters by diving on them. Well thats utter crap. I have some pages from B17 pilots manuals and it says that the MAXIMUM allowed diving speed without some special elevator modifications is 220MPH. That wont catch anything. Then I read a post about B-17 doing 320 mph at something like 25000. If they were really that fast in combat conditions then not a single one would ever have been lost in the whole war. Then there is the issue of gun ranges. I saw a video of an AH FW190 firing at a target 1.2K away and get killing hits. Then I read of confiremd 50cal kills out to 1.8K. Damn with such veritable death rays available to us its a wonder that guided missles were ever invented. Does the game model dropping velocity of the bullets? Does it model bullet balistics? Dispersion? Sure dont seem like it. Nearly every Ace's account I ever read stated one thing clearly come in close before firing. These pilots who are 100 times better in fighting than any of us never shot down anyone at such ridiculous ranges. The only time I ever heard of a kill at so long range was during the korean war. The reason? They were at 45000 feet in the thin air which didnt impart as much drag on the 50 cal. The guys wingman was a ww2 corsair ace who thought the guy was stupid for opening fire at such ranges, as he said he never fired the corsairs guns at more than a few hundred or so at the normal combat altitudes of ww2. Sorry if this looks like bashing of a game I still dont know well, but if what your posts said and the videos showed is true, it is a serious realism issue. I like the game a lot so far but if the guns are really like that I wonder if my $30 a month could be better spent. Flame me if you wish.

However Id really appreciate some good commentary from the pilots here on how these issues really work out and affect gameplay. Again I dont mean to be overly critical but these issues concern me regarding realism.

thanks GRUNHERZ

vadr · « **Reply #1 on:** August 10, 2000, 06:31:00 PM »

Nash · « **Reply #2 on:** August 10, 2000, 06:39:00 PM »

Lol vadr.

I was ----->this<---- close to takin' a nibble too

Toad · « **Reply #3 on:** August 10, 2000, 06:40:00 PM »

Vadr, ya beat me to it. The sly thing is that it is a "LW" poster.

So is this a double troll?

Cute if it is.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #4 on:** August 10, 2000, 06:44:00 PM »

Hi

What?

Camel · « **Reply #5 on:** August 10, 2000, 06:47:00 PM »

heeehe,

Well Grunherz, ya got 2 free weeks online.
Come check it out!

Karnak · « **Reply #6 on:** August 10, 2000, 06:49:00 PM »

GRUNHERZ,
best way for you to find out if it meets your requirements is to use the free two week trial period and have a go at it.

<sniffs bait, hisses folds ears down, turns around and kicks dirt onto bait and walks away, tail twitching>

Sisu
-Karnak

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #7 on:** August 10, 2000, 06:57:00 PM »

Hi

I will in a week or two once I get the feel of the FM and the new view system. I just want some opinions from you experienced guys if this is a real problem.

thanks GRUNHERZ

Fariz · « **Reply #8 on:** August 10, 2000, 06:57:00 PM »

It is not even close to what we call realistic; pilots I kill respawn and go to the skies again. I tried really to kill someone, but they refuse to die. So it is not realistic.

Fariz

Fariz · « **Reply #9 on:** August 10, 2000, 07:01:00 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
Hi
I will in a week or two once I get the feel of the FM and the new view system. I just want some opinions from you experienced guys if this is a real problem.
thanks GRUNHERZ

If you will need some help message me while online or mail me to fariz@crosswinds.net
and we will set some time for a training session. You can also log to Training Arena and ask for a trainer.

Hangtime · « **Reply #10 on:** August 10, 2000, 07:01:00 PM »

Yah live and learn... or yah don't live long.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #11 on:** August 10, 2000, 07:12:00 PM »

Hi

LOL You dont have to tell me about respawns I mostly flew EAW and Janes WW2 Fighters the respawn king of them all. Im looking for something much more realistc so WW2 airplane guns that are apperently accurate and lethal out to 1.8K have me worried.

thanks GRUNHERZ

Swoop · « **Reply #12 on:** August 10, 2000, 07:15:00 PM »

you know guys.....he *does* have a point.

Swoop

Fariz · « **Reply #13 on:** August 10, 2000, 07:30:00 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
Hi

LOL You dont have to tell me about respawns I mostly flew EAW and Janes WW2 Fighters the respawn king of them all. Im looking for something much more realistc so WW2 airplane guns that are apperently accurate and lethal out to 1.8K have me worried.

thanks GRUNHERZ

Once I got 109 at 1.2k with a single burst of .50. Even more that that, I had only 4 .50 left in my spit. So what? It is what may happen in reality too, though probability is very low. It is low in AH too. Normally expirienced AH pilots do not open till 250-300ft. At the moment you would not find sym where so many details are simulated. If you are looking for a realism you will find more of it here than in any WWII fighters game.

Fariz

Maverick · « **Reply #14 on:** August 10, 2000, 07:31:00 PM »

--> Mav, Looks at swoop shakes head and walks up to bait. Looks at bait, pulls out .40 Glock and BLASTS bait to bits.

Looks at swoop, shakes head and walks away.

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No Mercy Asked, None Given, Just pass the ammo

[This message has been edited by Maverick (edited 08-10-2000).]