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Offline MANDOBLE

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« on: September 08, 2003, 07:12:56 PM »
Vulching the outnumbered knights over'n  over while giving not opposition at all against the lemming horde is not a brilliant tactic.
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Offline JavierLQ

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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2003, 07:18:16 PM »
My thoughts exacly./..i jmean you already outnumber us...and we are also getting hit hard by bishops.....why vulch??


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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2003, 07:57:17 PM »
Because people would rather vulch and game their score than fight against the country with the most people on. It's pretty lame.

Then again, this behavior is a product of the game we have. No strat to worry about, no death penalties to hinder nonsense flying, field AA too easy to kill and simple point and shoot kills achievable by any cannon-armed aircraft when shooting planes on the ground.

Until there is something other than points and kill messages to play for, the outnumbered country will always take a gangbanging. It doesn't seem to matter who gets the perks either, I think people just like to see the map reset so they can start off fresh with more free undefended bases to milk-run.
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2003, 08:02:15 PM »
I think vulching wouldn't be half as bad if the game differed between A2A kills and A2G kills. If you couldn't game your A2A score many would loose interest, and the only vulching would be in normal capping and base grabbing operations.
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2003, 08:19:23 PM »
I think people overestimate the number of people who vulch for point purposes.  I would guess that the vast majority of people vulch to cap a base and for the sheer joy of vulching.
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2003, 08:28:24 PM »
No, it is not the score. Of course you will always find the typical well known psychopatic score-vulcher almost licking the runaways over and over, these cant be found anywhere else than vulched fields, and are so focused in their vulch session that offer the easiest targets to any enemy reinforcement comming from a nearby field, but these are a small minority.

IMO, the problem is the furball instead the score, all is initiated with a big furball between two fields, then the furball continues retreating towars the field of the outnumbered team. Meanwhile, the pilots involved into that furbal got totally focused into their base and the target base, and they cant even open the map to find out what is happening at the other front. This is the usual case with fields A1 and A5 at Trinity or field A44 at Mindanao, they act like black holes. Every map has some of these holes.
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2003, 08:43:57 PM »
Why haei not seen you at a base where I have taken off from?  Yes I do vulching but I also love the fights that start at 18k and spin downward.  Each country will have the lemming that will up repeatedly and pad others scores, but I trule love the 5 kill sorties where you earned every one of them.  I have to say this flying with the Dammed last night made me feel like there are squads out there that actually watch out for you and can back you up.  Was fun and you can't take that back.  Screw everyting else it is all about having fun.
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Offline Malleus

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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2003, 11:54:22 PM »
complain in Channel 1 about dispersing our strength.

Early this afternoon the Rooks had a nice wedge straight down the middle of the board and were smashing the Knits to smithereens and letting the Bish walk all over us.

Now, there were a couple dozen of us upping against the Bish, but I swear to GAWD it was 75% of the Rooks vs 100% of the Knits, and 25% vs the Bish.

There is only so many times you can scream for help on Country for help here or there.

Sometimes I wonder about this game. It is REALLY good for me when I get in with some strategic minded people, who can plan 3 bases ahead of the current attack, and do what is needed. Now, I hold NOTHING against people who just want to furball, they are paying their $15 too, but c'mon!!! There is a time and a place to fly around IMO worthlessly.

How many times have you seen a stream of your team heading towards a base they have been "trying" to take for hours and you know they will never get it.

Hmmm, looking at this, I am getting off topic...

Vulching is one thing. Camping the base while you are losing the other front is another.
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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2003, 11:58:23 PM »
Isn't B&Z only a slighty evolved form of vultching?




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Re: ROOKS, this is not the way to go
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2003, 12:11:19 AM »
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Vulching the outnumbered knights over'n  over while giving not opposition at all against the lemming horde is not a brilliant tactic.


You are probably right.  However, seeing that many people who fly rooks, myself included, can hardly be described as brilliant, it seems that this is the perfect thing to do.

Thanks for the notification though.  If I somehow become brilliant in the future, I will remember this post and do what I am supposed to do since I am no longer stupid.
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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2003, 12:20:35 AM »
yup, we always compared it to aerial strafing runs.

I used to deack a field just to vulch, not that I cared about score I just liked to piss off the idiots. That lasted for about a week then I gave it up.

This was back during the car bomb days, I got "kill" credits on 1 guy of about 23 and still had 300 cannon rounds left. I would spray him with 13mm, he would blow himself up and I would break off and get the "kill". While some what entertaining it didnt compare to a good fight even if I lost.

I remember brady in a 205 after a vulch session landing with like 100 perk points.  We just kept beating the ack down and killing the idiots. We were pissed when some fluffer decided to "help us" and took out the fhs.

Then there was the other time I deacked one of the large island fields n of mindinao. I had just finished when I look back and a crap load of b17s c47s and p51s spawned. It was some mission tards. I am not sure how many brady killed on the 1st pass but it was awesome. They kept reuping as well. C47s and b17s respawning over and over before they caught on. Now that I think about it, it was lotsa fun at times.
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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2003, 12:25:05 AM »
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I had just finished when I look back and a crap load of b17s c47s and p51s spawned. It was some mission tards. I am not sure how many brady killed on the 1st pass but it was awesome. They kept reuping as well. C47s and b17s respawning over and over before they caught on. Now that I think about it, it was lotsa fun at times.


Oh, the humanity!!!

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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2003, 12:34:13 AM »
Yeah ROOKS! What's the big DEAL!

So funny, not sure on other Rooks opinion on this, but I'm sure many will have the same as mine and are finding it very amusing indeed to read posts from Knights complaining about being outnumbered and vulched on all fronts.

I use to enjoy the constantly being outnumbered MA, as we all felt like the underdog so any victory was all the more sweeter. And those were the day's before big maps and cheap perk rides.

No insult intended to any Knights, but your unlikey to find any sympothy from many (long standing) Rooks.


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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2003, 12:42:25 AM »
I'm taking the glass is half full approach.  To me the numerical unbalance currently being experienced by the Knights just means more of a target rich enviroment for me to wreak havoc in.

Besides, we know that the Rooks only count for 2/3 of a person anyway.


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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2003, 02:50:02 AM »
After flying around the country side of the Rooks for sometime now I have come to this thought.  I watch as a number of players buzz in and take-out the ack on the field.  This affords them the opportunity to vulch the un-witting flyer who takes off from a field that is capped.  Now this is a good idea if you are going to take a base, but never have I seen this done.  The hordes will come and take out the gound vehicle hanger, but never the fuel tanks or ammo bunkers, nor the troop barracks.  While they shoot down endless planes taking to the skies. We lose field after field after field to the other team who is willing to take fortune from us.   To me this is no way to win a campaign.  But, under the conditions of the MA this will never happen and it's every person out for themselves with a little help from your countrymen every once in a while.  I have also noticed that when the opposing country comes in and attacks they hit the fuel tanks which limits our range of flight and that is not a good thing.   My point is that we should fly in and attack the ack vulch for a period or two then take the field to move on to another conquest.  


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