Author Topic: Help Me Love Bill Clinton... (Read 1202 times)

muckmaw · « **on:** September 12, 2003, 12:54:21 PM »

I really just don't understand this.

Why is it, people who support the Clinton's are so rabid about the object of their affection.

From a person who was never really involved in politics, and never took much interest in it, I'd like to pose a sincere question.

What did Bill Clinton do for America that had endeared him to you?

Thanks in advance.

Sandman · « **Reply #1 on:** September 12, 2003, 12:57:35 PM »

Bill Clinton is no longer relevant.

muckmaw · « **Reply #2 on:** September 12, 2003, 01:11:57 PM »

Oh, But I think he is.

I think he is still a driving force behind political fundraising for the Democrats, at the very least.

Whether or not he is still a political power is a matter of conjecture, but what he did or did not do for America is a Matter of history.

So in order of importance, what would you say are the 5 greatest things he did for America?

(Sand, I'm not trying to bait you here. I really want to know what makes a Clinton Supporter tick)

sonofagun · « **Reply #3 on:** September 12, 2003, 01:40:58 PM »

1. Boosted membership in the GOP

2. Driving force in putting together a GOP congress

3. Provided our current administration with a publicly popular mission by not doing away with Bin Laden when provided the chance.

4. Provided a real life example to our children that sexual impropriety is really ok, just as they have been taught in public schools.

5. Finally, a democrat president that my Mom didn't like. (Rather personal, but important to me.)

These are just off the top of my head.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 12, 2003, 01:43:07 PM »

He did for the Democrats what Nixon did for the Republicans. Way to go Slick Willie!

john9001 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 12, 2003, 01:44:43 PM »

well shucks , we loves billy cuz he just a good ol boy.

rpm · « **Reply #6 on:** September 12, 2003, 01:56:14 PM »

I don't know why he was so vilified. It seemed like from the moment he took office a pack of wild dogs was after him. He got the economy going again, that was a good thing. Yes, there was Monica, but I still fail to see the importance of that whole debacle.
The reason Bush, Sr lost the election can be boiled down to 6 words..."Read my lips, no new taxes!"

muckmaw · « **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2003, 02:01:15 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
I don't know why he was so vilified. It seemed like from the moment he took office a pack of wild dogs was after him. He got the economy going again, that was a good thing. Yes, there was Monica, but I still fail to see the importance of that whole debacle.
The reason Bush, Sr lost the election can be boiled down to 6 words..."Read my lips, no new taxes!"

It's been debated at the highest levels of the economic community on whether or not the president really affects the economy. The resounding answer time and again has been, little, if any.

Mr. Clinton was lucky enough to win the presidency as the economy was turning for the better in the business cycle.

Bush Sr. Lost because of the economy as well, though he had little impact on it. Regan did well, but also had nothing to do with the economy.

As for the 6 words....they certainly did come back to haunt him. I can still hear it.

Then again, I can also hear, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. lewinski".

sonofagun · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2003, 02:15:02 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
I don't know why he was so vilified. It seemed like from the moment he took office a pack of wild dogs was after him. He got the economy going again, that was a good thing. Yes, there was Monica, but I still fail to see the importance of that whole debacle.
The reason Bush, Sr lost the election can be boiled down to 6 words..."Read my lips, no new taxes!"

Having followed Bush's re-election bid, I'm convinced that he just didn't campaign like a person that wanted to be elected. If he had, he could have overcome his tax gaffe.

I'm also convinced that the biggest mistake he made was to drop the investigation into Bill Clinton's Viet Nam era activities in Moscow. The Dems created an uproar over that investigation and Bush dropped it like a hot potato. He didn't deserve to be relected given his lack of commitment to his own campaign.

midnight Target · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2003, 02:33:18 PM »

Its not a matter of how good Clinton was, it's the entire pack of made up lies that the Republicans have used to attack him since he took office.

Clinton was a fiscal conservative that won as a Democrat. That drove them nuts. Thats when all the "Clinton's murder spree", "Clinton the Rapist", Filegate, Travelgate, Whitewatergate, etc.gate... began to hit the public. All of that led to one thing.... a BJ and a denial.

Bill wasn't a hero. He isn't a hero. He was just treated like crap by the conservatives in this Country. It's just too bad that so many believe the crap that was made up about him.

Now when the shoe goes on the other foot, anyone bashing the President is treasonous. BS.

Eagler · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2003, 02:37:54 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
..... He got the economy going again, that was a good thing. .....

LOL, LOL, LOL

yep and Bush jr killed it right???

LOL

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2003, 02:59:35 PM »

I do not think Clinton was all that bad.

My big problem with him was he lied.

If he did not think it was a question that should not have been asked he should have said "my private life is my own, and I won't talk about it"

I could have respected that. Instead he lied, and it made him look like an ass.

I really REALLY REALLY do not like his wife though.

Curval · « **Reply #12 on:** September 12, 2003, 03:07:03 PM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I do not think Clinton was all that bad.

My big problem with him was he lied.

So how do you feel about Bush? I want to see some WMDs in Iraq...which is slightly more serious that getting head from an intern.

Gadfly · « **Reply #13 on:** September 12, 2003, 03:11:34 PM »

I think if you check the legal test for perjury, Clinton is quilty, and Bush is not.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 12, 2003, 03:12:24 PM »

Curv
I am not a huge Bush fan. He has not done enough for gun owners and he has not done enough about illegal imagration.

About the WMD.

I look at it like this. You give me 12 years, and pretty much unlimmited funds, and I could hide several tractor trailers in California and it would be VERY hard for the government to find them. I think it is going to take time, if they are not found in like two years, I would like a public apologie or maybe something stronger. Iraq is a big place and hiding things is easy.