Iraq: A Federal Judge's Point of View

[possum45]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
you guys still do not understand why people are mad at why we are there. Its because we were lied to about the reasons and we managed to piss off all our allies in the process.
It was the right thing to do, but so would have going into rowanda, north korea and pretty much any country with a cruel dictatorship governing it.

OH STFU:D

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
you guys still do not understand why people are mad at why we are there. Its because we were lied to about the reasons and we managed to piss off all our allies in the process.
It was the right thing to do, but so would have going into rowanda, north korea and pretty much any country with a cruel dictatorship governing it.

The young man has a point. Pre-emptive war with the objective of regime change is a bad road to be on.


It's going to get worse in Iraq before it gets better.

[k2cok]

That when you subordinate everything to your belief system your only rational within that system?

Yeah, we're stuck with the mess Bush lied us into, we no longer have much of a choice but to finish what he started.

Just as the Bush regime intended when they manipulated us into the war.

[Udie]

We shall see.  Personally it's still to early for me to judge either way.  How long were we in Germany/Japan after WW2?

 This was the right thing to do, period.  It was right on many many levels.  It still is.  It needed to be done 10 years ago but we had somebody in office who needed a character on the scene like sadaam to keep his scandals off the front page.  You'll never admit to that, but your wrong, just like your whole liberal idiology.  Wrong....

[Udie]

Originally posted by k2cok
That when you subordinate everything to your belief system your only rational within that system?

Yeah, we're stuck with the mess Bush lied us into, we no longer have much of a choice but to finish what he started.

Just as the Bush regime intended when they manipulated us into the war.

 When exactly did he lie?  Manipulate what?  He could have done this when ever he wanted to.  He had 90% support to do it in 2001.  He had congressional "aproval" to use what ever means necessary in 2002.  Congress is to corrupt/imputent to actually declare war like they should.  I don't understand how you people can have such a double standard.  It was the right thing to do, but he lied to us (unproven) about it so he's guilty of a bad war.  That's hypocritical Barbara Streisand.  It's an itelectualy lazy way of saying you hate bush.   But I don't expect any liberals to admit to that

[k2cok]

When you subordinate everything to your belief system you're only rational within that system.


Let me know when you understand what this sentence means and then we will discuss those other words (lies, manipulation) you don't understand.

[Udie]

Originally posted by k2cok
When you subordinate everything to your belief system you're only rational within that system.


Let me know when you understand what this sentence means and then we will discuss those other words (lies, manipulation) you don't understand.

 Pick up a mirror dude....

[Dowding]

Pick up a mirror dude....

Talk to the hand!!!!!

[Udie]

Originally posted by Dowding
Talk to the hand!!!!!

Nah,  I tried the crazy thing last year

[LePaul]

k2cok

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Nevermind...not worth it  

[Udie]

That's what I though....

intellectually lazy and bankrupt and just plain WRONG

[Frogm4n]

Lets see, the UN inspectors were right, there are no WMD's in iraq. At the time of our invasion saddam was pretty much the mayor of baghdad. Most of the slaughtering of his people was done when bush the 1st was in charge, and because of deals with the saudis didnt invade iraq and finish what he started. Oh yea Bush Lied about wmd's, his connections with 9/11, and now is chargeing our troops that are in the hospital for their meals. Good job bush admin!

The difference between iraq, japan, and germany(we are still in japan and germany btw.) Japan and Germany are not islamic. You have to understand that Islamic countrys  do not want a democracy, and the only way iraq will ever be one is if we put them all in re-education camps and force it on them. Which is not democracy.

Look at turkey, everytime they have an election they vote in a religious nutcase. Then the army comes in and puts someone else in charge in an attempt to bring them into the 19th century. That is the most liberal country in the middle east mind you!

And you expect iraq to go somewhere anytime soon? BTW Bush's approval rateing 49 percent. I guess it was a fun ride for him while it lasted.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
Lets see, the UN inspectors were right, there are no WMD's in iraq.

Uh, the UN inspectors did not say there were no WMD's in Iraq. They did say that Iraq was not cooperating with their investigations.

I'll concede that the present administration MAY have misled the American public and if so, I, like most of you, will be very pissed. Furthermore, Iraq may be only the beginning with Syria and Saudi soon to follow.

While no one likes being lied to, one of the president's most important jobs is to defend us whether we want him to or not. He wasn't elected to conduct polls and then act only on those results.

[Frogm4n]

hans blix said there were no WMD's. The UN objected to our time table on invading iraq not the invasion itself. And guess what, the french and germans were right. we should have waited, and had a better plan on what to do after the major fighting was over.

We will never invade or attack or demand anything from the Saudi's while Dick cheny and a Bush is running the show. Their family ties, connections, and oil contracts run deep.
Even though the saudis are more of a threat to america then iraq was.

The thing about democracys are that the polls do mean something. If the majority of the public dont want you to do something. You will end up paying the price during the elections. (well that isnt always true because of the electoral system, or if they redistrict before the next election.)

[Erlkonig]

So, I guess the question is do we have the resources to clean up the mess Bush made in Iraq at the same time we deal with the mess he made in this country?