Author Topic: Iraq: A Federal Judge's Point of View (Read 2897 times)

Gadfly · « **Reply #60 on:** September 18, 2003, 02:45:25 PM »

I do not rag you for being a child, I rag you for acting like one.

Frogm4n · « **Reply #61 on:** September 18, 2003, 02:45:51 PM »

a childish comment? i was only pointing out the fact that yes while the japanese did worship their emporer. The emporer played a role in helping japan become a working democracy after the war. something your not going to be able to get allah to do.

muckmaw · « **Reply #62 on:** September 18, 2003, 02:58:39 PM »

You also merely edited the comment out of your post.

You know what, Gadfly has the right idea.

Have a nice day.

Frogm4n · « **Reply #63 on:** September 18, 2003, 03:03:30 PM »

like i said, if the best you can do is call me child( im 23 like it matters), then wow you have some growing up to do yourself. At least i can admit it.

k2cok · « **Reply #64 on:** September 18, 2003, 03:05:31 PM »

Udie I see you graduated from the Cabby Coulter school of debate, when reason fails just loudly screech "liberal" everytime someone doesn't agree with Bush's agenda.

Whether you agree or not many Americans feel that we were lied to by Bush and Co. leading up to the war and by your reasoning that makes all of us liberals.

Well sorry to burst your bubble but it makes us angry not liberals.

It appears by your reasoning when Clinton lied to Americans and pissed you off you became a liberal.

Wait a sec, that's not a very fair criteria for labeling someone a liberal is it?

Let's add some weight to the argument, hmmm- you support a president who has grown the government so large and in such a short period of time that it makes Clinton look like a fiscal conservative----guess that makes you a liberal ehh?

Oops, still on kinda shaky ground here, let's add some more weight to classifying your political posistion.

Look at the size of Bush's discretionary budget and the programs he spends all that money on-----once again Bush makes Clinton look like a fiscal conservative, welcome to the Bush "nanny state" Udie, you whacky liberal.

If you you can follow up without the Cabby Coulter squawking and buzzwords in your next post then we can discuss "lies and manipulation", if not then please carry on making yourself look like a child arguing on the playground.

Udie · « **Reply #65 on:** September 18, 2003, 03:06:34 PM »

yawn...

I'm still waiting for the child, and sandman to respond to my posts that pwn'ed them yesterday

Gadfly · « **Reply #66 on:** September 18, 2003, 03:09:37 PM »

I do not agree with Bush or his agenda on many points. Many, Many points. But I do agree with him on the one under discussion, and disagree that we were lied to.

If you will remember, you and I did not vote for the War; the duly elected members of the House and Senate did. They are and were privy to more information than us, and for a segment of those bodies to backtrack is where the real lie is.

k2cok · « **Reply #67 on:** September 18, 2003, 03:21:39 PM »

Very discerning Gadfly, were getting closer to the bone now.

IIRC Dashole and other House and Senate members were denied information on the grounds of "national security" leading up to the resolution Bush used to go into Iraq?

Not to mention the "patriot police" tar and feathering anyone who disagreed with Bush as being unpatriotic in the post 9/11 fallout.

We can go in circles all day on this but ultimately it all leads right back to Bush's desk doesn't it?

It's about accountability, something Americans seem to have forgotton.

Udie · « **Reply #68 on:** September 18, 2003, 03:25:40 PM »

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Originally posted by k2cok

Whether you agree or not many Americans feel that we were lied to by Bush and Co. leading up to the war and by your reasoning that makes all of us liberals.

major diference between libs and cons. Libs feel their way through life, cons (most of us) think our ways through life. If you were to think about it clearly and let your hate get out of the way you would see that in no way has it been proven that Bush lied. You're feeling that he lied has clouded your judgement. Can you prove it to me now that he lied? Please do, it will change my mind on him. Unlike the libs with komrad klinton. I think that if it had been proven that he lied, we would be reading/listening to his impeachment.

It appears by your reasoning when Clinton lied to Americans and pissed you off you became a liberal.

No I became pissed off. Because he lied, not just once, but daily. Then they were proven lies, even the ones in court, and NOTHING was done about it. Yeah he was impeached. I'm still waiting for all the libs who said he should be punished once he's out of office to come forth and punish. Nope they still worship...

Again, please point me to where Bush has been proven to lie.

Let's add some weight to the argument, hmmm- you support a president who has grown the government so large and in such a short period of time that it makes Clinton look like a fiscal conservative----guess that makes you a liberal ehh?

No actually I'm pretty angry with him and congress about that. Hmm guess that means I'm still a conservative. But 9/11 changed what I'm able to accept out of my leaders. You see, though you probably don't, we are in a war. Yes a real live war, 2 fronts at that. I think Bush has done a good job so far in prosecuting this war. I wish we would have hit Syria/Saudi/Jordan by now as well as hammas, but I don't have all the info he does. So for now I still trust his judgement.

Oops, still on kinda shaky ground here

yes you are, but I'm having fun with you so I'll continue

Look at the size of Bush's discretionary budget and the programs he spends all that money on-----once again Bush makes Clinton look like a fiscal conservative, welcome to the Bush "nanny state" Udie, you whacky liberal.

Like the last paragraph, that's one of the things I'm agry at him and the congress for. Though I'll admit to being more angry at the republicans in congress than Bush. They are the ones that debate and make the bills that he signs, so they get the blame too. Blame goes to both parties btw

If you you can follow up without the Cabby Coulter squawking and buzzwords in your next post then we can discuss "lies and manipulation", if not then please carry on making yourself look like a child arguing on the playground.

Just calling them like I see em. Like I said, I don't expect you to understand. I don't believe it's in your nature as a liberal. Kind of like how deer stand in front of headlights and get run over. Just too stupid to get out of the way

Udie · « **Reply #69 on:** September 18, 2003, 03:29:38 PM »

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Originally posted by k2cok
We can go in circles all day on this but ultimately it all leads right back to Bush's desk doesn't it?

It's about accountability, something Americans seem to have forgotton.

How does it lead back to Bush? The congress past a joint resolution. You say they didn't have all the info. Well isn't it thier responsibility then to NOT vote for a resolution to use force? How can their irresponsibility be blamed on Bush? Oh wait, I fort liberal rule #1 somebody else, preferable a Republican, is always to blame. Libs can do now wrong.

Accountabilty? Hmm how many dems have resigned or been run out of congress? I can think of a few Republicans that were (some rightfully so but not all). Then I think of Ted Kennedy:rofl

thanks for the fun man!

Gadfly · « **Reply #70 on:** September 18, 2003, 03:32:26 PM »

Where is that post where I already covered the "Lies" that the administration gave to the UN as our justification for war? Was it on this board or another. At any rate, I went through it, item by item and the plain and simple truth is-there were no lies, and rigorous justification.

Now it is quite possible that people who do not read the primary sources, and get their information just from the media were indeed lied to, but that was the media lying, not the administration. ***** at CNN all you want, they lie daily.

k2cok · « **Reply #71 on:** September 18, 2003, 03:43:34 PM »

Udie, now your arguing semantics, I suppose I'll just redirect you to my original statement:

"That when you subordinate everything to your belief system your only rational within that system".

You are irrational, there's no point in trying to discuss any topic with you until you can learn to think critically.

Gadfly, I don't watch CNN or Fox, they are opposite sides of the same coin.

Gee, it's time for me to go haul my hot air balloon and trailer to the dump now, I would hate to be accused of having a "trailer for production of WMD" sitting in my garage.

Udie · « **Reply #72 on:** September 18, 2003, 03:50:48 PM »

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Originally posted by k2cok
Udie, now your arguing semantics, I suppose I'll just redirect you to my original statement:

"That when you subordinate everything to your belief system your only rational within that system".

You are irrational, there's no point in trying to discuss any topic with you until you can learn to think critically.

stop it! you're killing me! Again to your belief system comment I say, Look in the mirror.

Irrational? Uhhh I don't think you've been on this board long enough. You haven't seen me be irrational in this thread.

[edit] oh yeah, again, what lies?

Frogm4n · « **Reply #73 on:** September 18, 2003, 04:03:26 PM »

bush claimed that those balloon trailers were the WMD's that justified the war and that was all the proof he needed.

Gadfly · « **Reply #74 on:** September 18, 2003, 04:06:23 PM »

See, child, there you go again, talking from your Spinchter.