Author Topic: Brady, not to whine, dude..... (Read 3854 times)

Chanter · « **Reply #60 on:** September 22, 2003, 08:29:02 PM »

Wow, this doesn't seem like the CT from a year ago. Although I'm happy the numbers are starting to increase, the hostilities are also increasing proportionally.

I'm not advocating a group hug or anything, but we're all in the CT the same reason, and appreciative of the CT Staffers who give us a place to hang our hat on a regular basis. It'd be nice if we could act like it occasionally, eh wot?

Arlo · « **Reply #61 on:** September 22, 2003, 08:39:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak

As to guys asking for the F4U-1C and F4U-4, well, I was just in the CT and it was 30 Allies vs 16 Axis. It doesn't seem like you guys need the F4U-1C or F4U-4 in order to win as we're down to two or three airfields. If you really think you guys need that much of a handicap, well shucks, thanks for complimenting the Axis fliers.

Just now checked. Both sides equal at 25 players apiece. The Axis had 5 airfields ... so do the Allies. Overall field ownership is Axis: 22, Allies: 17. Fleets 1 and 3 were apparently sunk recently as they are heading back from the south pole. V17 is about to be retaken by the Axis and they have A10 under a hard assault. There's a pretty good chance that they'll recapture all of the big isle within a couple hours or so. May even be able to mount an assault on a18 .. maybe even a19. TF04 is on the east coast and, as usual .... a tad bit too close. It will sink within the hour (if it lasts that long).

So ... no need to dispair. This is your action combat news reporter, Arlo, signing off.

eskimo2 · « **Reply #62 on:** September 22, 2003, 10:23:00 PM »

I have flown in this set-up maybe 3 or 4 hours, all of it Allied.

I think the Allies have a great plane set, and have the advantage. Most of the big blue fighters are untouchable if flown with Big E. The Jap planes certainly turn well, but there are enough FM-2s and B & Zers to force them to get screwed on E and get anchored.

I also think the 50's rip through the Jap planes very well, and I do most of my shooting at 500 yards...

eskimo

Karnak · « **Reply #63 on:** September 22, 2003, 10:30:07 PM »

eskimo,

How tremendously leathal the FM2 and F4U/F6F combo is to Japanese fighers doesn't seem to be fully realized by many of the Allied players. I can attest from the Axis side, it sucks.

You can't turn (The normal way A6M5s and N1K2s survive against faster fighters) because the FM2's will kill you and you can't BnZ (the normal way for A6M5s, Ki-61s and N1K2s to kill FM2s) because the F4Us/F6Fs will kill you if you don't turn.

Nasty, nasty, nasty.

Reschke · « **Reply #64 on:** September 22, 2003, 10:35:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Sakai
Well, that answers the other question: The US navy-only geeks are in fact the most partisan, whiningest, biggest cry babies out there. Thanks for clearing it up.

Any Squad with a US navy call sign will throw a tantrum when any PAC setup that does not make them instant gods is released. Maybe you guys get shot down so much because its hard to fly in soiled diapers? Well, poopy-pants boy, I can't help you, call mommy.

Perhaps you Big Blue babys find it harder to fly against seasoned pilots with materially finer planes than the rising sun was capable of producing in the actual war? It seems ot me that is a real issue that we cannot address by making only Newbs fly against you fellers.

Sakai

Sakai,

I edited out your post simply because I didn't want to comment on the entire thing as it would take me all night and I just don't have the time to deal with other children aside from the ones I have in my home.

Now I take offense that you want to generalize all of us "Big Blue babys" into one category. Some of my guys have gotten a little upset with the PAC planesets and have openly complained about and appear to have gotten themselves openly censored for it. If Brady has it out for Arlo then so be it. I respect both and support both guys position. I personally don't believe that allowing the Corsairs to be openly available will unbalance the arena but as I said I support them both. Call me what you will but it is far from being a "Big Blue baby" and a damn sight far away from throwing a tantrum about an aircraft. So lets keep this on the personal level between you, Najdorf, Arlo and whoever else wants to jump in. Because I am not going to generalize you as a b******g IJ squadron guy (apparently due to your UBB id) but don't lump us all together.

Now on another note I can't wait to find you hanging out in a Niki or whatever you like. I will take my slow turning Corsair and do my best to wipe your shadow making tail out of the AH sky. As I would try to do with Batz/Wotan/what ever his nick was last time he left but I am not going to go down that road.

I don't "duel" any longer either so don't try that route with me either. Time just isn't a thing I have an abundance of any longer.

Batz · « **Reply #65 on:** September 22, 2003, 10:42:53 PM »

umm just got home and cant be bothered to wade through most of the bs,

naj the arguement for the exclusion of the chog has been consistant and has been discussed many many times. Its impact on gameplay is real. If included the milkrunners will run wild.

Tardlo,

I dunno what your are going on about, I have nothing to do with the ct and have no more "impact" then yourself, I have no doudt that I can kill you in your plane. But either way how is it you think it matters one way or another to this ct setup or that anyone else cares?

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It's the pudding the proof's supposedly in. If your paranoid theory over the F4U "ruining balance" in the CT could stand the light of day then you wouldn't be doing the pee-pee dance to avoid proving your point right this minute.

A "dual" is totally differnt then arena play and has no relation to balance or even how good one plane may be in regards to another. Just like having the f4u-4 and the chog in the Okinawa scenario has no bearing on arena play or this setup.

Slash read what I wrote,

I said I didnt care one way or another where f4us are but its not fair or unfair as the cv spawn areas are not much further away then a19, where arlo requested them to be. It just doesnt matter as long as the admirals dont get the cv sunk.

You navy/marine types are a dime a dozen in Ah and will always complain about something. Why you think your whines will change bradys setup is beyond me. After years of whining why not go after the other ct cms for a "solution"?

The ground vehicles on okinawa are their to represent the various dug in guns and defensive positions the japanese had set up. The US lost almost all it tanks on okinawa. Theres no ground cover in ah, theres no real ground war. All ground vehicles are spotted easily, killed easily etc. So complaining about them is nothing but a whine.

Karnak · « **Reply #66 on:** September 22, 2003, 11:03:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Batz
ground vehicles on okinawa are their to represent the various dug in guns and defensive positions the japanese had set up. The US lost almost all it tanks on okinawa.

That is a good point. I hadn't really considered that.

Reschke · « **Reply #67 on:** September 22, 2003, 11:08:37 PM »

Slash27,

Can't really find a breakdown on the different reports of kills by aircraft types in the F4U series but overall the F4U claim 2,140 enemy aircraft shot down while flying roughly 64,000 sorties. But they did drop more tonnage on the enemy than the F6F. While the F6F only flew roughly 65,000 sorties but claim 5,156 enemy aircraft shot down while in service.

Reschke · « **Reply #68 on:** September 22, 2003, 11:18:03 PM »

Here is another link you might want to search through Slash. Not sure if it gives the breakdown by specific type but it covers losses as well as claims for USN and USMC during WW2.

http://www.history.navy.mil/download/nasc.pdf

Arlo · « **Reply #69 on:** September 22, 2003, 11:40:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Batz

I dunno

You should have stopped there. That' pretty much covers it.

Batz · « **Reply #70 on:** September 22, 2003, 11:41:52 PM »

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I would like clarifcaton the F4U-4 and its service history. If it only had 9 kills the whole war, what the hell is it doing in AH?

I believe AHT has the f4u-4 break down. Some one check it.....

Arlo · « **Reply #71 on:** September 22, 2003, 11:43:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak

You can't turn (The normal way A6M5s and N1K2s survive against faster fighters) because the FM2's will kill you

I out-turned two FM2s in a N1K2J last night.

Reschke · « **Reply #72 on:** September 22, 2003, 11:45:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Batz
I believe AHT has the f4u-4 break down. Some one check it.....

So far Batz I have only been able to locate information concerning the F4U as an aircraft type. I have not located any information breaking it down by variant. I am going to the The National Museum of Naval Aviation later this fall and will see what I can dig up while there.

Batz · « **Reply #73 on:** September 23, 2003, 12:00:01 AM »

I know brady has it as he posted page number etc during the scenario discusions. Maybe he will repost it.

Originally the oob in the scenario had 2 groups of f4u-4. We argued these were over represented and Aub was going to remove them altogether and replace them with 2 groups of chogs. We ended up agreeing on 1 group of each.

I am sure F4udoa or widewing has it.

Jebo44 · « **Reply #74 on:** September 23, 2003, 02:29:09 AM »

Karnak,

Actually I believe you might not be correct about the P-38's at Oki. Maybe not in the actual assault on Okinawa, which is a big maybe...still looking for some credible info on that. But I know that P-38's were used as bomber and recon escorts all during the island hoping campaign, including missions to Okinawa. The reason I am debating is because Major General Hal Gray Jr. was assigned to the 475th Fighter Group and flew P-38's from New Guinea, the Philippines, and Okinawa until the end of hostilities with Japan.

And the CT maybe just about gameplay for you Slash but it isn't for me. I generally only participate in the PAC maps. I am there for the historical aspect of it. Japanese against Americans you know like it actually was. So I would venture to say that the CT is by far geared more for the historical aspect and not so much for the game play. If that was the case then we might as well all stay in the MA.