23 states recieve an "F" in teaching history

[Kieran]

Well Rip, just so you know... Indiana, which received an "A" by your news report, has recently been criticized for having low standards. Sounds like Popeye might have a point, doesn't it?

I don't get excited one way or another by these reports for this reason. It too often seems the people compiling the data don't even know what they are looking at or for... yet they get to influence where we are going.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Kieran
Well Rip, just so you know... Indiana, which received an "A" by your news report, has recently been criticized for having low standards. Sounds like Popeye might have a point, doesn't it?

I don't get excited one way or another by these reports for this reason. It too often seems the people compiling the data don't even know what they are looking at or for... yet they get to influence where we are going.

Fair enough!

[AKIron]

If their "results" were based on state findings rather than their own standardized testing then they are without merit. Just as popeye posted, many states have low standards resulting in higher standings when compared with states with higher standards.

Texas has been fighting an uphill battle to raise academic standards over the last few years. It hasn't been easy going, lotta opposition.

[Frogm4n]

Did you even read the report ripsnort. I am going to guess you have no idea what they mean by balance. Florida recieved a D because it failed to inform its students about its role in slavery and how it was important to its economy. Other states had balance problems because they left out how we slaughtered the native americans on scales saddam couldnt do.

[Ripsnort]

Yes I did Frogwoman...did you read the conclusions and recommendations? (Where do you think I got some quotes up above? )

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Uh huh, discredit the report...thats a familiar tactic.

And it's usually a good one. I mean, they are calling into question the validity of the report, and they put forth contentions as to why they think it's invalid. Now, maybe they are totally off base withh these contentions, but what is wrong with bringing them up? It's not like the University of Wisconsin, Madison was saying "This report sucks because it was written by half wits and morons."

Hey, I for one, would love for this to be true... evidence that California Schools don't suck? Sounds good to me.

-Sik

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Sikboy
And it's usually a good one. I mean, they are calling into question the validity of the report, and they put forth contentions as to why they think it's invalid. Now, maybe they are totally off base withh these contentions, but what is wrong with bringing them up? It's not like the University of Wisconsin, Madison was saying "This report sucks because it was written by half wits and morons."

Hey, I for one, would love for this to be true... evidence that California Schools don't suck? Sounds good to me.

-Sik

I thought it was quite obvious that PC is an all-too familiar lesson taught via Social Studies, just look at some of our younger posters on this board?

[Apache]

Hey old friend.

[popeye]

Rip, the FIRST thing I want to know about is the agenda of the people who produce such reports.  Then I'll look for expert critiques, and THEIR agenda.  Then try to evaluate the results.

There are lots of "think tanks" with very academic sounding names funded by tons of money from foundations with VERY definite agendas.  The "scholars" who prepare such reports know who they are being paid by before they design the study, and very often the results support the agenda of the funding foundation.

Imagine that.  

I take those results with a grain of salt.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
I thought it was quite obvious that PC is an all-too familiar lesson taught via Social Studies, just look at some of our younger posters on this board?

This is what made me wonder abaout the PC effect on history. I mean, how can California get an "A" while being "too PC" is a problem elsewhere? That struck me as odd.

But the critique of the report does't even address Political Correctness as an issue.

-Sik

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Sikboy
This is what made me wonder abaout the PC effect on history. I mean, how can California get an "A" while being "too PC" is a problem elsewhere? That struck me as odd.

But the critique of the report does't even address Political Correctness as an issue.

-Sik

Once you get 5 miles outside of the inner cities of California, you're in "Republicountry"

[Dead Man Flying]

Without transparency in the methods used to score and rank these states, the entire report faces severe and warranted validity issues.  It's not even a matter of political correctness as some would like to make it.  Whether one agrees or disagrees with the results, the fact that the methods employed to obtain them remain a mystery raises doubts about the whole thing.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Sikboy

But the critique of the report does't even address Political Correctness as an issue.

-Sik

I found that strange as well, since the report addresses this as one of the problems {""Substitute wishful thinking or politically correct ideology for factual accuracy"}  Denial is a one way conversation...

[Frogm4n]

Name an example of a "young"(i guess on these boards between the ages for 20-30) poster being to PC when it comes to history rip.

Personally i see older posters makeing ignorant statements that america has clean hands and has always made the right decisions throughout its history.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
It's not even a matter of political correctness as some would like to make it. -- Todd/Leviathn

How did you deduct that? I see it constantly in day to day life. Why wouldn't it be in the schools?