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Offline Fatty

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« Reply #75 on: September 26, 2003, 09:28:02 PM »
So can we cut the price supports out of milk?

That'd take care of the other half.

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« Reply #76 on: September 26, 2003, 09:40:43 PM »
there is a great lack of sympathy and understanding from many in the US who are quite comfortable in the middle and upper class.  Our society rewards and reveres greed and selfishness.   It is far easier to assume that the poor dont really have it that bad and that all they have to do is "want" to go to college and get a good job.

throughout this entire discussion there has not been one mention of the simple fact that 3/5 of the poor people in this country are CHILDREN.

the truest test of the morality of a society is what it leaves to the next generation.  In the US our "leadership" (and I mean EVERY administration and congress since WW2) has chosen to leave huge deficits to the next generations, be it in the form of national debt, foreign debt, social security trust, etc.  

Both Bush2 and Clinton fail this test, as we should have been socking money into the social security trust for the ~80 million boomers who will retire in 10 years (Clinton) and the ridiculous tax cut for the wealthy that is bush2's answer to every economic problem - which has put us right back in the red and will be a burden on our children.

the sad fact is that our culture is more like a spoiled 5 year old than  a mature adult in that unless we are instantly gratified we are not interested (these are broad statements here of course, YMMV).  we are no willing to make hard, real, substantive choices, but would rather stick our collective heads in the sand and wait for the f'in prom

It is those without a voice, the children, who suffer most, as the majority of the poor in this country and in the sense that we are passing on our debts to them.

In stark contrast to the greatest generation that we so revere, we are probably in the mot shameful period of our national history.

so instead of the glitz and glamour of tax cuts, we should be making our nation financially sound and providing for those americans who need protection the most, our children.

shame on us, and our nation of selfish fools

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« Reply #77 on: September 26, 2003, 09:43:27 PM »
Woohoo!

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« Reply #78 on: September 26, 2003, 09:52:03 PM »
strk, you are a moron.   You should be in the Democratic presidential race.

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« Reply #79 on: September 26, 2003, 09:54:55 PM »
Just for grins and a minor clue, take a look at the 5 year stock market graph and then puzzle a while on how this correlates with the overall economy and the "poverty level".

You might notice a dip in the chart Sept. 2001 that hasn't fully recovered yet.

But, hey, Blame it on Boooooooosh.  Looks like that's about as deep as you get.
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« Reply #80 on: September 26, 2003, 10:16:21 PM »
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I do not see it that way. You pay taxes too, and you have no say in it except for your democratic vote. The only difference I can see is how much you pay and how much society provides for you. You say you are freer? How so? You too will be jailed if you refuse to pay taxes. The only choice you have is how to use your vote.

Yes, we pay taxes and we have little say over what the politicians waste our money on.  But because our government makes fewer permanent commitments than a more socialistic government, we are freer.  The guarantees you are comfortable with come at the price of permanent revokation of your control over most of your income.  If the world economy goes bad and your government has a hard time paying for all the guarantees they have made, you, as an individual, will have no option but to turn to the same government for a solution.   Socialist policies work very very well until they stop working.  Then everyone is hosed.  

People like to say that capitalism is based on greed and selfishness, but I can't imagine anything more greedy and selfish than demanding that your basic economic needs be guaranteed by your fellow citizen from cradle to grave.   My basic rights cost my fellow citizen nothing at all.

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« Reply #81 on: September 26, 2003, 10:21:22 PM »
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People like to say that capitalism is based on greed and selfishness, but I can't imagine anything more greedy and selfish than demanding that your basic economic needs be guaranteed by your fellow citizen from cradle to grave.   My basic rights cost my fellow citizen nothing at all.

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RA people will not understand unless they are Americans:D
Thats what makes us different and in my opinion better.

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« Reply #82 on: September 26, 2003, 10:47:38 PM »
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« Reply #83 on: September 26, 2003, 11:00:04 PM »
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Not giving Clinton credit, just laughing at the finger pointing at him for the current problems. Economics run in cycles... We had a great big long upswing in the 90's. It wasn't a bad thing.


I agree....and be certain, I won't give credit to Bush for an economic recovery....however, our defense and the war in Iraq he will be held accountable.

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« Reply #84 on: September 26, 2003, 11:05:11 PM »
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Have I served them personally? Yes I have. I help load food into their cars, shopping carts or whatever they bring to the North Texas Food Bank in Ft.Worth. I have accepted donations for Mission Arlington and personally delivered beds and furnishings to apartments that were donated to impoverished people and battered women.
 The reason I wanted you to read the article is that you obviously shot it down without reading it. I saw the story on 60 Minuites-II and it does not try to slant WHO is to blame, but WHO is suffering. When someone has to cut a gallon of milk with a gallon of water just so their infant can have enough to last until the next food line, we as decent human beings need to get off our high horse and help. Most of these people are not unemployed, they are under-employed. Making $7.50 an hour at Home Depot or Wal-Mart because it is the only job available is the reason these "bums" and "welfare mothers" are standing in the food lines. We need more jobs with decent wages and less CEO's taking $20-30 Million home when they are fired.


I agree.....it just seemed to me you were blaming Bush for something that is old as dirt....poverty.

My apology.

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« Reply #85 on: September 26, 2003, 11:44:50 PM »
LOOK on the bright side we could have these guys running our country:D

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« Reply #86 on: September 27, 2003, 12:41:54 AM »
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strk, you are a moron.   You should be in the Democratic presidential race.


That the best you can come up with? You should be in the republican presidential race.
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« Reply #87 on: September 27, 2003, 01:53:13 AM »
hell...morons arent so bad.  there are good morons I think.  at least morons that mean well.

We are all morons to some extent, at some point in our lives.  You know, like when we should have pulled but pushed instead.

Stuff like that......
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« Reply #88 on: September 27, 2003, 03:29:52 AM »
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strk, you are a moron. You should be in the Democratic presidential race.
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That the best you can come up with? You should be in the republican presidential race.That the best you can come up with? You should be in the republican presidential race.


You two should get a room and study Carlson's list of insults... together.
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« Reply #89 on: September 27, 2003, 06:26:28 AM »
Hey, stop double quoting me!
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)