Poverty up during Bush

[lord dolf vader]

if you want to see poor people come to south east texas.

lots of shacks and people who still hunt some ( or poach as republicans put it )  people dont go to free doctors because they dont have ****in cars. ect ect ect


the rich folks run america and run the place to keep themselves rich and allow enough upward mobility ( if you follow the rules) to keep the 80 hour a week drones chaseing the carrot on the stick that is do nothing wealth. i work with two people who dont have medical care despite the fact they they work full time jobs. one is epileptic the other has hepatitis from old carrier as a nurse. (now she makes minumum with no benifits workin for NBC affiliate as a cameraman 30 hours 5 days a week she is sick and it affects you mind) same for the dude with epilepsy he has fits at work and they dont do **** but call and ambulance and threaten to fire him.

i could go on for hours and hours about situations they would make you angry for blood right here in the good old usa with people who go to work every day ( bleeding broken and infectious) because the rich want to be richer.


quite frankly socialism sounds great to me. i saw alot of europe and envy the hell out of them.

a republican is a man who will tell you strait faced your horse will run better if you cut a leg off it to save weight. their theorys on economy are exactly the same.

can politician after politician till the little man is healthy enough to work.

sorry im pissed dude had another fit at work and i want to kill someone. he deserves better.

[strk]

strk, you are a moron. You should be in the Democratic presidential race.

lol ra coming from you that means . . . . . nothing.

since youre only response is an adhominem attack let me respond in kind.  You are probably the biggest idiot posting on these boards, and that says a lot.  

werent you the one saying that poor people are fat, so they must have it easy?  lol  your arguments demonstrate tht you have the intellectual depth of a 12 year old.

Did you ever serve your country ra?  Have you ever done anything that didnt serve your selfish petty self centered interests?  I would venture a guess that the answer is "absolutely not"

so shut up, stupid.  What you say doenst mean jack to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.  Continue your pathetic existence wrapped up in your own little disneyland world and wait for your republican masters to tell you what to think.  You are a slave who is too stuid too see his own chains.

they say that God looks after children and fools.  being both, I suppose you are doubly blessed.  FU

strk

[Toad]

Matthew, Chapter 26

26:11

For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

Seems things haven't changed much, eh?

Any of you folks notice that there were poor people even BEFORE there was a Republican or Democratic party?

Any of you folks notice that during what might be considered the poorest time in American History.. the Great Depression... FDR was the President and he was a Democrat?

Any of you think it may be just a teensy-weensy bit more complex than which party holds the Presidency?

Uh... no... I guess you folks let all that slip by you while busily hurling slings, barbs and ad hominems all about the place.

Once more, in hopes that it might get through:

14:7
For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.

So, what did YOU do for them today?


Or were you waiting for some particular political party to solve every problem in the world?

[midnight Target]

Matthew was a Republican..

25:
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

[k2cok]

Originally posted by Toad
Seems things haven't changed much, eh?

Any of you folks notice that there were poor people even BEFORE there was a Republican or Democratic party?

Any of you folks notice that during what might be considered the poorest time in American History.. the Great Depression... FDR was the President and he was a Democrat?

From whitehouse.gov:

Hoover became the Republican Presidential nominee in 1928. He said then: "We in America today are nearer to the final triumph over poverty than ever before in the history of any land." His election seemed to ensure prosperity. Yet within months the stock market crashed, and the Nation spiraled downward into depression.

After the crash Hoover announced that while he would keep the Federal budget balanced, he would cut taxes and expand public works spending.

Sound familiar?



Bush seems to have taken some pages out of Hoovers play book.

[pugsly]

I have said before and will say it again.
America needs to take care of America before we spend bilions on everybody else.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by k2cok
From whitehouse.gov:

Hoover became the Republican Presidential nominee in 1928. He said then: "We in America today are nearer to the final triumph over poverty than ever before in the history of any land." His election seemed to ensure prosperity. Yet within months the stock market crashed, and the Nation spiraled downward into depression.

After the crash Hoover announced that while he would keep the Federal budget balanced, he would cut taxes and expand public works spending.

Sound familiar?



Bush seems to have taken some pages out of Hoovers play book.

Dude.. if you think we're anywhere near a friggin depression, you've got issues.

[Toad]

Originally posted by k2cok
Bush seems to have taken some pages out of Hoovers play book.

Cod, I love documented history!

Actually, FDR took some pages out of Hoover's play book. You know, FDR... that Democrat guy that everyone loves? Well, he expanded upon Hoover's (you know, that Republican guy?) ideas.

Short version:

President Hoover's Philosophies

Hoover believed that the depression was caused by problems other than the U.S. economy, and that these problems were beyond U.S. control. He also believed that the key to recovery was confidence in the economy. Factories and businesses tried to maintain confidence, and even as they shut down, Hoover continued to insist that recovery was on its way.

Hoover believed that keeping high and steady wages for workers would bring recovery. He called together many business leaders and got their promise on keeping workers wages reasonable and steady. They held their part of the agreement for a few months, but they soon started to drop wages. Many Americans blamed Hoover s passive attitude for the Great Depression.

Feeling the pressure, Hoover finally began to act. The government, in an effort to create more jobs, built new public buildings, roads, parks, and dams. A Presidents Emergency Committee on Employment advised local relief programs. The Hawley-Smoot tariff was passed by Congress in 1930 to protect domestic industries from foreign competitors.

However, these tariffs backfired European nations countered the tariffs by increasing their tariffs on American goods. In 1932, Hoover set up the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (RFC), which gave government credit to banks so that they could extend loans to clients. Many people felt that this measure did more to bring prosperity to the bankers rather than to the ordinary citizens.

Hoovers efforts were not effective enough. He wanted the state and local governments to handle recovery, but unfortunately, their programs never had enough money. Hoover believed that direct federal intervention would create a large bureaucracy. After much disapproval from the American public, Hoover finally budged. He allowed state funds to provide relief for the unemployed. But this effort came too late.



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President Roosevelt's Philosophies

FDR was ready to experiment, unlike Hoover. Because of his own illness and the giant gap between the wealthy and the poor, FDR had compassion for the ordinary citizens of America. FDR knew that Americans were searching for a change and that s exactly what he gave them.

FDR communicated with the public by radio every week and assured them that recovery was near, thus, increasing their confidence. During the first one hundred days of President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s term of office, he feverishly pushed program after program through Congress to provide relief, create jobs, and stimulate economic recovery.

These programs were based on federal agencies that had controlled the economy during WWI or on programs started by Hoover[/u] or by state governors. FDR s new programs were known as the "New Deal." [refer to Successes and failures of Roosevelt's "New Deal" programs for more information]

 Philosophies of President Hoover and President Roosevelt

So, I guess you figure FDR and Bush were both smart enough to use Hoover's ideas then?

[lord dolf vader]

yea bush and hoover have alot in common both are idiots following a flawed idiotic economic policy. bush is just doing it 70 years after we discovered it was lunacy. the sad little deserter **** that he is hasent ever paid a hard debt in his life.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2082321/


i simply can't believe you are trying to sell that hoover of all people was a decent president or was responsible for the new deal policys (every other damn republican almost to a man was against them in any case).

p.s.

know what a hoover hog is ( at least in south texas and lousiana)? its a armodillo, my whole family still calles them that in thanks to the man who made them to poor to get the real thing.

wake up dude look at your motives for selling this outragous lie.

[Toad]

Still the bitter curmudgeon, I see.

No, I was pointing out to k2cok that

After the crash Hoover announced that while he would keep the Federal budget balanced, he would cut taxes and expand public works spending.

Sound familiar?

Bush seems to have taken some pages out of Hoovers play book.

is inaccurate. Bush's policies are more like FDR's than Hoover's.

Historically, Hoover barely got the ball rolling on expanding public works spending; it was FDR that spent the nation into what was then a "huge deficit."

 Note that during Roosevelt's "New Deal", the average yearly federal budget deficit was about three billion dollars, out of an entire federal budget of six to nine billion dollars, a significantly a larger portion of the government's operating expenses in the 30s than it is today.

(Neither agreeing with nor disagreeing with the "need" for such spending here; just pointing out that it was FDR that really turned on the money spigot from Washington.)


Check out this quote:

Our policy is succeeding. The figures prove it Secure in the knowledge that steadily decreasing deficits will turn in time into steadily increasing surpluses, and that it is the deficit of today which is making possible the surplus of tomorrow, let us pursue the course we have mapped.

 Sure makes K2cok's comment a non-starter.

As for

yea bush and hoover have alot in common both are idiots following a flawed idiotic economic policy. bush is just doing it 70 years after we discovered it was lunacy.

You're just as mistaken only typically more bitter. If one has to compare, FDR/Bush economic policy is much, MUCH closer than Hoover/Bush economic policy.

Next time before you bathe you stomach lining in more vitriol, pick up an apple and a history book and save yourself an ulcer.

[Toad]

Here, just for you.. better take a few Tums first.

: President Bush's supporters would dearly like to equate him with Ronald Reagan, but the mold doesn't fit, even though Bush, like Reagan, may have to reverse himself on the matter of tax cuts.

: Something eerier is going on. Bush seems to have been invested with the ghost of Franklin D. Roosevelt. The similarities are remarkable, and not just because both presidents had their terms punctuated by a devastating and dastardly sneak attack.

: Roosevelt and Bush both came to office on vague problems, their appeal being largely that they were sunnier and more optimistic than their opponents, the dour Herbert Hoover and the pedagogic Al Gore.

: Roosevelt created an alphabet soup of government agencies. Bush created the Department of Homeland Security that now employs 1 out of every 12 federal workers.

: Roosevelt assumed vast new responsibilities for the federal government. So did Bush, assuming responsibility for one of the few areas Roosevelt left for him -- public education -- through the No Child Left Behind Act.

: Both presidents ran huge deficits. In his first six years in office, Roosevelt never ran a deficit of less than $2.2 billion, and that was back when a billion dollars was real money. Until 1930, the government had run surpluses 11 straight years. The federal budget was in its fourth year in surplus when Bush took office; then it went into the red, and the deficit this year will be around $500 billion -- and that's when a half-trillion dollars is real money.

: Both successfully fought wars abroad under remote and difficult circumstances. Both wars had long and difficult aftermaths _ World War II begat the Cold War, and the Iraq war has left a difficult and dangerous occupation and a restive Arab world.

: For both presidents, their closest ally was a British leader, Winston Churchill for Roosevelt and Tony Blair for Bush. Both British leaders found themselves in political hot water after having successfully prosecuted a war.

: Both presidents liked the Navy's ships. Bush, sporting a Navy flight suit, landed on a carrier, and Roosevelt vacationed on warships.

: Both love dogs. Roosevelt was inseparable from his Scottish terrier Fala. And Bush is rarely without _ this gets spooky _ his Scottish terrier Barney and his English springer spaniel Spot.

: Both spend part of each summer in Maine.

Is Dubya Really FDR?

Enjoy.

[Toad]

This one is going to make your acid pump run overtime.  

However, you can't really consider yourself educated unless you examine both sides of a question before forming an opinion, can you.

A summary of:

Out of Work: Unemployment and Government in 20th Century America. The authors are Richard Vedder and Lowell Gallaway, both Professors of Economics at Ohio University who have served on the Joint Economic Committee of Congress.

HERE

Of course, I realize that two professors have nowhere near the understanding of economics that you do, but perhaps you'll write them and help them correct some of their more glaring inaccuracies?

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Toad
The authors are Richard Vedder and Lowell Gallaway, both Professors of Economics at Ohio University who have served on the Joint Economic Committee of Congress.

So they held a government post, hmmm. And who appointed them to this commitee?

[Sixpence]

He kinda looks like Al Franken

[Sixpence]

Toad, I read the article. So basically what they are saying is that if government does not get involved with unemployment and we all work for lower wages, everything will be just fine.

 "Unemployment not only reeflects excessively high wages, but also is exacerbated by government programs and regulations designed to increase earnings and foster ‘income security.’ "

So i'm making too much money? That's news to me and my family. Could you take that statement and say that CEO's of big banks and oil companies are making too much $$? So you could say that it's them making too much $$ and causing unemployment? Or is it just the wages of people who make under 30k that matter?