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Offline Wanker

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« on: September 30, 2003, 08:23:14 AM »
Does anyone have any figures about how much it would cost the US government to provide the same quality of health care that some of us enjoy through our employers today?

I'm on the 80/20 plan, with a deductible. Based on this policy, how much would it cost? Is it a good investment?

I'm sure that my friends from the right will use the "S" word on me, but considering that even they are perfectly willing to allow the government to go into debt if the cause is noble enough(i.e. rebuilding of Iraq), then surely they would agree that providing every American with quality health care is worth increasing the national debt to pay for it.

Assuming that we figured out a way to make it work so that we could have a choice about which doctors we see, and didn't have to wait months to get an appointment, wouldn't this be worth the investment?

Business would support this, would they not? It's gotta be a crushing expense for businesses to provide health care for their employees. Why would or wouldn't business support a national health care plan?

If Iraq is worth $400 billions(just a guess at long term expense for that project), isn't America worth at least as much?

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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2003, 08:28:17 AM »
The problem is.... well, there are a lot of problems but mainly in this litigous society...

If you provide some sort of baseline health care.... far from being grarteful... those who have it (the baseline free stuff)will demand the same level of care as those who pay for insurance...  The only way to get "fair and equal" treatment is to lower the treatment level for those who pay... that is why so many Canadians get care in the U.S. for complex operations.

No one in this country that I know of is without healthcare... anyone can go into an emergency room and get treatment.
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2003, 08:32:08 AM »
But isn't that the problem, lazs? People shouldn't be using emergency rooms to receive treatment for non-emergency issues. But that's what it's come down to right now.

As for a base-line of coverage, my baseline was a the 80/20 plan that I'm on now, so everyone would have that. There would be no reduction, except for people who are 100% covered by their employers currently(and I have to believe that number is shrinking rapidly).

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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2003, 08:34:19 AM »
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But isn't that the problem, lazs? People shouldn't be using emergency rooms to receive treatment for non-emergency issues. But that's what it's come down to right now.

As for a base-line of coverage, my baseline was a the 80/20 plan that I'm on now, so everyone would have that. There would be no reduction, except for people who are 100% covered by their employers currently(and I have to believe that number is shrinking rapidly).


Don't we have free clinics for non-emergency treatment?

I don't know much about this issue, so I'm not sure of the answer here.

Hey, how about free dental care for everyone, while we're at it?

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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2003, 08:52:02 AM »
banana....

The prescription drug benefit recently signed will cost upwards of 400 billion and will solve nothing.

I personally feel that anyone over the age of 60 should recieve free healthcare in this country....all free...meds, surgery, etc.

It is those folks that have earned the right and have worked a lifetime so that I might enjoy what I have today....to ignore them is a crime.

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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2003, 08:53:12 AM »
I am not oppossed to free clinics but I would bet the farm that someone who goes to a free clinic will sue the people who set it up because he didn't get a heart or liver transplant.    

most states have a health care plan for people with low incomes right now.

I don't want health care to be run by the same people that run our schools and DMV's.
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2003, 08:56:35 AM »
The typical American probably spends way more on automobiles in the course of his life than he does on healthcare.  Would it be a good idea to have the government provide "free" automobiles to each American, so as to bring down the cost and guarantee that everyone has a car?  

Our insurance-based system has a lot of flaws, but it is not as bad for the poor as it is depicted.  If Bill Gates and a bum were involved in the same automobile accident, they would both be medevac'd to the nearest trauma center, they would both get the same life-saving attention.  Gates' money would only come into play after his condition had stablilized.  He would be able to afford to move to a world-class hospital and pay for optional surgery and better rehab than the bum, but then again he would pay for it.  The bum has little to complain about as his life was saved by highly-skilled medical workers, and it cost him nothing.  There are many countries with "free" healthcare for all where they both may have died before reaching a hospital.

Where the system fails is for people with no insurance and high medical needs.  I think the insurance-based system could cover those people if the rest of us accepted high annual deductables and paid for our own basic healthcare bills.  It's an incredible waste to have insurance pay for a check-up, or a dental cleaning, or a prescription for allergy medication, or even a broken wrist.  If we pay for these ourselves we can enjoy the best medical system in the world and still cover those who can't pay their own way.

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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2003, 08:58:52 AM »
gotta love that word "FREE"

anyone wanna guess who pays for "FREE"?
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2003, 09:03:05 AM »
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Where the system fails is for people with no insurance and high medical needs.  I think the insurance-based system could cover those people if the rest of us accepted high annual deductables and paid for our own basic healthcare bills.

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So in order to give someone else Free medical treatment, I have to start reaching into my pocket to pay my own medical bills?

I am being penalized for being a productive member of society.

That hardly seems fair to the working class.

Check-ups and dental cleanings are covered by insurance because it's been shown that these procedures actually save the insurance industry money in the long term. It's a preventative measure.

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Re: FREE health care
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2003, 09:03:42 AM »
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gotta love that word "FREE"

anyone wanna guess who pays for "FREE"?


Hmmmm...

Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Citizen?

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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2003, 09:04:24 AM »
Free health care for all Americans? Absolutely not. Very bad idea.
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Re: FREE health care
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2003, 09:07:32 AM »
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Originally posted by Eagler
gotta love that word "FREE"

anyone wanna guess who pays for "FREE"?


oooh oooh oooh! I know, I know!

The American taxpayer, the same people who are paying for the reconstruction of Iraq.

At the risk of putting words into your mouth, is that a *no* vote for free health care for all Americans, or would you go along with it grudgingly?

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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2003, 09:09:58 AM »
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Free health care for all Americans? Absolutely not. Very bad idea.


Why not, Gunthr? Education is paid for by taxpayers, and so is the reconstruction of Iraq. Why not health insurance or health care for all American citizens?

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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2003, 09:18:45 AM »
Well, consider what happens to government subsidized housing projects.... they become slums in just a few years. Ever wonder why?

I'm really against the government's over - involvement in what should be a free market service. It is economically unhealthy for our country.

I'm tempted to use the "S" word here, but I won't.  :)
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Re: FREE health care
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2003, 09:19:10 AM »
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Originally posted by Eagler
gotta love that word "FREE"

anyone wanna guess who pays for "FREE"?


I'm willing to pay for seniors healthcare.