Free Health Care for All Americans?

[Urchin]

Personally, I don't think there should be free anything.  In fact, I think the U.S.A. should abandon any pretense at "democracy", and stop pretending that this country is run by anything other than a small clique of extraordinarily wealthy people.  Furthermore, I propose that we stop trying to make life so hard for the most wealthy 1%, and actually place the poorest 90% into bondage, where each wealthy family can have say, 10,000 more 'unfortunate" (read: lazy, stupid, unworthy) families to earn even more money for them.  I think that way, we'd have a much more productive and happy America, since the vast majority of people could stop thinking they had some "right" to do anything but please their masters.

[Gunthr]

I guess my main point is that every american already does have free healthcare, they just maybe don't know that. - Udie

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Well, not really, Udie. Nothing is ever really "free". That is why you are charged $5 dollars per aspirin tablet when you are in the hospital... to pay for those who don't pay.

By the way, great thread banana!

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Urchin
Personally, I don't think there should be free anything.  In fact, I think the U.S.A. should abandon any pretense at "democracy", and stop pretending that this country is run by anything other than a small clique of extraordinarily wealthy people.  Furthermore, I propose that we stop trying to make life so hard for the most wealthy 1%, and actually place the poorest 90% into bondage, where each wealthy family can have say, 10,000 more 'unfortunate" (read: lazy, stupid, unworthy) families to earn even more money for them.  I think that way, we'd have a much more productive and happy America, since the vast majority of people could stop thinking they had some "right" to do anything but please their masters.

Hmmmm...

*raises eyebrow*

[FUNKED1]

Health care is like 15% of GDP.  Comparing health care costs to Iraq costs is ridiculous.  Not even close.

Also we need to look at why health care costs so much.  It costs so much because, in most cases, somebody else (employer, government, insurance company) is paying for it.  When it's on your dime, you pay attention to cost and you shop for the best price/service combination.  When it's somebody else's dime, we don't worry about price, and this is why costs are so high.  Having the government pay for it all would only exacerbate this phenomenon.

IMHO we are already too close to socialism with about 25% of GDP controlled by the government.  Adding in health care would boost this up to about 40% controlled by the corrupt *******s in DC.  Add in the "somebody else's dime" phenomenon and we will easily beat 50%.

NO

THANK

YOU!!!

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
Health care is like 15% of GDP.  Comparing health care costs to Iraq costs is ridiculous.  Not even close.

Also we need to look at why health care costs so much.  It costs so much because, in most cases, somebody else (employer, government, insurance company) is paying for it.  When it's your dime, we pay attention to cost and we shop for the best price/service combination.  When it's somebody else's dime, we don't worry about price, and this is why costs are so high.  Having the government pay for it all would only exacerbate this phenomenon.

IMHO we are already too close to socialism with about 25% of GDP controlled by the government.  Adding in health care would boost this up to about 40% controlled by the corrupt *******s in DC.

NO

THANK

YOU!!!

Good Point funked.

Service providers are more inclined to bill your insurance company for procedures that never happened, because they know they can slip it past. Just last week, I was reading over my dentist's assistant as she went over my procedure. I saw, and asked when I had a gold cap placed on a tooth..for $800.00. She said..."Ooops".

Nice, huh?

[FUNKED1]

I think banana misunderstood the line "Land of the Free".  

[trolla]

How much have Iraq costed USA so far ? (The billions youre talking about is awsome)
And was there any WMD ?

And how much would free health care cost ? (prolly awsome too )

numbers please but a life cannot be counted in money i guess.

[trolla]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
I think banana misunderstood the line "Land of the Free".  

Strange im in a land of the free too but in Norway

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by trolla
How much have Iraq costed USA so far ? (The billions youre talking about is awsome)

And how much would free health care cost ? (prolly awsome too )

numbers please but a life cannot be counted in money i guess.

How many lives did we save in Iraq?

How many children did we spare? How many mass graves are not being filled because of our brave soldiers?

I guess Dems can only count lives in dollars and cents when it suits them, huh?

[trolla]

Originally posted by Rude
banana....

The prescription drug benefit recently signed will cost upwards of 400 billion and will solve nothing.

I personally feel that anyone over the age of 60 should recieve free healthcare in this country....all free...meds, surgery, etc.

It is those folks that have earned the right and have worked a lifetime so that I might enjoy what I have today....to ignore them is a crime.

Well said rude that should go for all countries

[miko2d]

trolla: How much have Iraq costed USA so far ? (The billions youre talking about is awsome)
 And how much would free health care cost ? (prolly awsome too )

 As long as we stay in Iraq, extra money we spend there do not cause more problems, other than wasted resources.

 On the other hand socialised anything causes a lot of negative side-effects, not the least of which is worse health-care.

numbers please but a life cannot be counted in money i guess.

 Sure it can. If you do not have to pay extra 10-20% of your income to pay for someone's welfare, you may afford an extra child or two, buy a safer car, healthier house, eat better food, drink cleaner water, work less, etc.

 miko

[Udie]

The war on terror so far has cost roughly $640 per American tax payer.  That doesn't take into effect our "progressive" tax system in which the "rich" get soaked and pay a lot more than the "average joe".  So my part is probably about $500 so far.  Well worth liberating the Iraqi people, something I've wanted done since '91.  I spend more on cigarettes.....  I spend more on car insurance......  My company pays about $200/month for my excellent insurance coverage.


 The money to liberate Iraq is money well spent in my book, and not very expensive either, in money, the cost in lives is sad though

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 here's my math....

aprox. $160,000,000,000 divided by 250,000,000 tax payers.

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by trolla
Strange im in a land of the free too but in Norway

You'd be typing that in Russian if not for the USA.  

[trolla]

Originally posted by muckmaw
How many lives did we save in Iraq?

How many children did we spare? How many mass graves are not being filled because of our brave soldiers?

I guess Dems can only count lives in dollars and cents when it suits them, huh?

You got a point there about the lives saved, but how many have lost their lives after it ? and who is gonna run that country after Us withdraw ? shias ? another Iran then

Children was killed under the war too.

Dunnot about your Dems but a normal living human being can usually make 2+2 = 4 (I hope)

[Udie]

Originally posted by trolla
You got a point there about the lives saved, but how many have lost their lives after it ? and who is gonna run that country after Us withdraw ? shias ? another Iran then

Children was killed under the war too.

Dunnot about your Dems but a normal living human being can usually make 2+2 = 4 (I hope)

 I will put good money on the fact that SH killed more of his own than we did liberating them.  That's an assinign comparision though.  I doubt we killed enough civilians to even partially fill ONE of the MANY mass graves of THOUSANDS of dead Iraqi's that we've found SO FAR