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beet1e · « **Reply #105 on:** October 09, 2003, 06:58:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Maybe. But look at the K/D of those aircraft and consider whether flying one enhances survivability for the average player. Obviously, it does not. So there's a likely flaw in your argument right there.

Well, not a flaw, but incomplete. As I have said before, many noobs/idiots fly things like the P51 and LA7 - they're good runners for when they get in too deep. The dweebs without a real interest in WW2 will gravitate towards the easymode planes - and will often make a right buggerysuet and come unstuck. But also, they get to the target area very quickly - a prerequisite for many. The common denominator is low attention span. Fly more than 4 minutes to get to an enemy base? Why bother - an LA7 or P51 will get you there in 3! Learn ACM? Too much trouble - just fly a point-click-shoot aircraft like a N1K, and get all your kills from HO.

Shane · « **Reply #106 on:** October 09, 2003, 07:04:34 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Well, not a flaw, but incomplete. As I have said before, many noobs/idiots fly things like the P51 and LA7 - they're good runners for when they get in too deep. The dweebs without a real interest in WW2 will gravitate towards the easymode planes - and will often make a right buggerysuet and come unstuck. But also, they get to the target area very quickly - a prerequisite for many. The common denominator is low attention span. Fly more than 4 minutes to get to an enemy base? Why bother - an LA7 or P51 will get you there in 3! Learn ACM? Too much trouble - just fly a point-click-shoot aircraft like a N1K, and get all your kills from HO.

i find this highly amusing when the 2nd most consistent plane, since april at least, you fly is the c-hog... it *was* the #1 of the big 5 before it got slightly perked.

Toad · « **Reply #107 on:** October 09, 2003, 07:13:19 AM »

Well, obviously, HT should have all new game account applicants submit to a personal review by Beet.

Then he can simple disallow any noobs or idiots or even people who are not truly interested in WW2. And of course, anyone that won't play the game his way and fly what he tells them to, in the way that he tells them to fly it.

Kweassa · « **Reply #108 on:** October 09, 2003, 07:16:23 AM »

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Which is merely, and yet another, scheme to make people fly something that YOU want to see them fly.

So?

Maybe people flying something that I pursuade them to fly, might turn out to be more fun.

Not to mention get rid of the persistent complaints about suicide porkings and kamikazes, plus give some planes their role back, instead of being left as hangar queens.

Sounds a lot more practical than the "freedom of choice" metaphysical bullshi* dug up from the pits of pitiful logic, everytime somebody complains about the undeniable overuse of 5 planes.

Shane · « **Reply #109 on:** October 09, 2003, 07:19:56 AM »

overuse?

fine perk the big 5.. then everyone will just be running, running running from action in tiffys (if they survive their kamikaze run - fariz missions ring a bell?>, fws and 109s unless they have an overwhleming advantage.

yaaaawwwwnnnnnnn... i see too much of that already.

Toad · « **Reply #110 on:** October 09, 2003, 07:25:18 AM »

But Shane... we'll simply perk the NEXT Big 5 ad nauseaum.

Tired of seeing the Big 5? Tired of a historical matchups?

Try the CT; it was essentially created to provide you the opportunity to get away from these indignities.

Tired of seeing the Big 5? Tired of ahistorical matchups? Want a regimented, structured environment where serious missions are launched and wars are won (

)?

They're building AH2 as we speak.

Toad · « **Reply #111 on:** October 09, 2003, 07:28:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
Maybe people flying something that I pursuade them to fly, might turn out to be more fun.

I do LOVE this part though.

But of course! "Persuade" them! With the ole Perk Club persuader!

Just like the LA cops "persuaded" Rodney King to just slow down a little bit.

oboe · « **Reply #112 on:** October 09, 2003, 07:29:05 AM »

Beetle nailed it. Just because 90% of the flyers are flying one of the big 5 doesn't mean they all really "want" to fly one. Lots maybe flying it because they feel its the only way they can stay competitive when everybody else is flying one. I'd be very interested in the results of a well-crafted poll along these lines - but not a BB poll-- in-game poll, so we get a broad base of responses.

The purpose behind my version of MA server-scripted missions isn't to create realistic matchups. Its just to give an incentive to people to get into an unpopular plane. Part of my idea was the large score bonuses for any kills made while flying in the mission. You're right; I could create these myself and offer them up in the MA, but I couldn't provide the perk incentive part of the idea.

While I could call the MA unruly, I don't find it the least bit unpredictable. With all the choices available, it seems like it should be, but fact of the matter is that its very predictable, and that is why we're here having this discussion.

HTC could also influence plane choice by cranking ENY values to such a point that a single kill of an LA-7 by a P-40B could earn the pilot 100 or more perks. With a payoff like that, maybe more people would choose to fly some less popular rides.

beet1e · « **Reply #113 on:** October 09, 2003, 07:31:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Shane
i find this highly amusing when the 2nd most consistent plane, since april at least, you fly is the c-hog... it *was* the #1 of the big 5 before it got slightly perked.

before my time, matey.

Shane · « **Reply #114 on:** October 09, 2003, 07:35:45 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Tired of seeing the Big 5? Tired of a historical matchups?
Try the CT; it was essentially created to provide you the opportunity to get away from these indignities.

and so few of the perk 'em all whinetards ever show up in the CT. or even those who are lusting, drooling and otherwise thinking ToD is some holy grail instead of just another style of gameplay.

Shane · « **Reply #115 on:** October 09, 2003, 07:36:35 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
before my time, matey.

doesn't stop you from flying it, even slightly perked, does it?

i think you perk 'em freakazoids are just pissed that some l33t noob pwns you in a "no-skill" plane. it's defintely not their mad skillz that shot you down; must be poor SA on your part, i think.

Toad · « **Reply #116 on:** October 09, 2003, 07:41:17 AM »

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You're right; I could create these myself and offer them up in the MA, but I couldn't provide the perk incentive part of the idea.

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True, you could not.

However, "scripted" missions won't make the MA any more unpredictable than you find it now. Your Val mission would get slaughtered in short order unless they were incredibly high and I doubt very many would need a crystal ball to predict that.

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HTC could also influence plane choice by cranking ENY values to such a point that a single kill of an LA-7 by a P-40B could earn the pilot 100 or more perks. With a payoff like that, maybe more people would choose to fly some less popular rides.

Yeah, he could. In fact, he could have done this ages ago. But he hasn't. I seriously doubt that he's failed to notice it's been proposed many times.

However, of all the idea presented so far in this thread, it's probably the ONLY one that really makes any sense.

Of course, to guys with thousands of perks already, that normally fly the "lesser" rides already, it won't make a bit of difference.

The great unwashed masses that Beet so despises, the poor basteegees that are "noobs and/or idiots" are going to get slaughtered in P-40B's (and the rest of the "lesser" part of the plane set). Even the GOOD P-40 sticks fly the E because the B is just a really tough ride to kill and survive in.

There's a reason new guys and less skilled guys fly planes that are somewhat easier to kill and survive in... no one likes getting waxed all the time.

Of course, some great sticks fly Spits because they like them. These are the guys we should really punish, right?

Anyway, ENY bumps are a harmless proposal and probably would provide a bit more of the sacred "diversity" without forcing anyone or subjecting anyone to the will of the Overlords of Perk.

Toad · « **Reply #117 on:** October 09, 2003, 07:44:00 AM »

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i think you perk 'em freakazoids are just pissed that some l33t noob pwns you in a "no-skill" plane.

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Shack!

muckmaw · « **Reply #118 on:** October 09, 2003, 07:44:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Shane
i find this highly amusing when the 2nd most consistent plane, since april at least, you fly is the c-hog... it *was* the #1 of the big 5 before it got slightly perked.

Whats wrong with flying the C-Hog?

He's not flying a plane that dominates the arena now in terms of sheer numbers. He's also paying the price to fly the C-hog in terms of perks. The man earned his ride.

Shane, Toad, et al..

Uou guys are the masters of AH, the kings of a video game, you should have a million perks stashed away.

What are you so worried about? Is a small perk on planes violating your consitutional rights? Is freedom of aircraft choice in the bill of rights?

Are you protecting the rights of Newbies? Are you worried about HTC's business model?

Is it so terrible to say, 'Hey, let's try Kweassa's perk idea for a tour and see how we like it?".

If we stayed closed minded in life as in this game, we'd still be playing on Minindao with 6 planes. (1 more than I see in the arena now)

beet1e · « **Reply #119 on:** October 09, 2003, 07:44:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Shane
doesn't stop you from flying it, even slightly perked, does it?

It certainly doesn't, and I don't mind having to earn the pp. I usually fly it off CVs. Very effective at downing the 500ft LANC/Ju88 formations.

But let's not dwell on the past, and what was vogue before I joined. I pay for my CHogs! Perking them hasn't stopped me, though it stopped many others - I am told. Why's that then?

But shane, you clearly know more about the stats data than I do. Can you please tell us when I last flew a plane belonging to the Big Five as it stands now? ie. P51/LA7/Spit ix/N1K (and YAK9U)?