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Unions, are they as worthless as they seem?
« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2003, 08:33:23 PM »
You would be surprised how many union workers lean to the right. Conservative does not mean anti union.
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« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2003, 11:10:41 PM »
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Unions, are they as worthless as they seem?
Yes, I worked for 2 companies that tried to bring in unions, everyone that tried to get the union in was fired.


how does that make the union worthless?  if you had voted in the union those people would have been protected.  the only mistake those guys made was over-estimating the backbone of their fellow workers.  also firing someone for union ofiliation or discussing unions with other workers (as long as you aren't interfearing with their work) is illegle and considered an unfair labor practice.

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You would be surprised how many union workers lean to the right. Conservative does not mean anti union.


the republican platform is deffinatetly anti-union.  the main reason I vote democrat is the republican stance on labor relations.  the preaching of family values, while trying to undermine workplace safety and a living wage.

the sad thing is that most working people are very conservative on many issues.  we have to align ourselves with the fruits and nuts to get a fair shot in the workplace.



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« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2003, 08:31:51 AM »
LOL!

No answer RPM? Just innuendo?

Way to take a stand, man!
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« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2003, 08:47:06 AM »
We will allways need collective barganing and contracts between workers and managment.   This is the function of Unions no matter what you call them.

The problem is with all the stuff that goes along with it.   I don't believe in unions as they exist now and think that they are on the way out but... we will allways have some form of collective barganing and contracts.  That can't and shouldn't be reversed..

We owe a lot to the original organizers of unions but it is time for some change.
lazs

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« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2003, 09:02:56 AM »
Everybody sing!

Come you ranks of labor, come you union core,
And see if you remember the struggles of before,
When you were standing helpless on the outside of the door
And you started building links on the Chain.
On the Chain, you started building links on the Chain.


When the police on the horses were waitin' on demand,
ridin' through the strike with the pistols in their hands,
Swingin' at the skulls of many a union man,
As you built one more link on the chain, on the chain,
As you built one more link on the chain.

Then the army of the fascists tried to put you on the run,
but the army of the union, they did what could be done,
Oh, the power of the factory was greater than the gun,
As you built one more link on the chain, on the chain,
As you built one more link on the chain.

And then in 1954, decisions finally made,
The black man was a-risin' fast and racin' from the shade,
And your union took no stand and your union was betrayed,
As you lost yourself a link on the chain, on the chain,
As you lost yourslef a link on the chain.

And then there came the boycotts and then the freedom rides,
And forgetting what you stood for, you tried to block the tide,
Oh, the automation bosses werre laughin' on the side,
As they watched you lose your link on the chain, on the chain,
As they watched you lose your link on the chain.


You know when they block your trucks boys, by layin' on the road,
All that they are doin' is all that you have showed,
That you gotta strike, you gotta fight to get what you are owed,
When you're building all your links on the chain, on the chain,
When you're building all your links on the chain.

Amd the man who tries to tell you that they'll take your job away,
He's the same man who was scabbin' hard just the other day,
And your union's not a union till he's thrown out of the way,
And he's chokin' on your links of the chain, of the chain,
And he's chokin' on your links of the chain.

For now the times are tellin' you the times are rollin' on,
And you're fighting for the same thing, the jobs that will be gone,
Now it's only fair to ask you boys, which side are you on?
As you're buildin' all your links on the chain, on the chain,
As you're buildin' all your links on the chain.
You: Blah Blah Blah
Me: Meh, whatever.

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« Reply #50 on: October 09, 2003, 09:36:01 AM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
We will allways need collective barganing and contracts between workers and managment.   This is the function of Unions no matter what you call them.

The problem is with all the stuff that goes along with it.   I don't believe in unions as they exist now and think that they are on the way out but... we will allways have some form of collective barganing and contracts.  That can't and shouldn't be reversed..

We owe a lot to the original organizers of unions but it is time for some change.
lazs


OMG! Yet another issue where Lazs and I agree completely.

I gotta go buy those lottery tickets, now. This has got to be a good omen!