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Offline miko2d

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Russain Oil is tradeable in Euro
« Reply #75 on: October 13, 2003, 12:47:01 PM »
Habu: What is happening in China is this. Total exports from China are less than 10% of the total inflow of foreign exchange into the country.

 I believe your number is way off. I only have the numbers for 2001 handy.
Current account balance - surplus of $17 bil (sold more then bought in that year)

exports of goods - $266 bil; export of services - $33 bil
capital and finance accounts - $34 billion in the surplus.

 It looks like the number was 85% rather than 10% in 2001 and could hardly have increased 10 times (their trade grew as well) without me noticing...


 Current Account Balance = The balance of trade +
  The net diff between services exports and imports (tourism) +
  The net diff between income flowing from assets in foreign  +countries
  The net diff between inflows/outflows of unilateral transfers (aid/gifts)

Balance of payments = Current Account Balance + Capital Account Balance

The money that is excess is being parked in banks and will become available for loans etc that will encourage further growth in the economy.

 At the same time making those hundreds billlions of dollars available for spending will sharply drop the exchange course dollar.

Companies in China want to keep their profits in Yuen as they are afraid the currency will rise. This creates enormous pressure on the currency.

 Actually, it's mostly because they need Yuen to pay wages, dividends and taxes. After which they do not keep the profits but invest them into expansion.

It is not about the US dollar being worthless.

 It's backed by willingness of China's central bank to pay 8.28 yan for it.

It is all about the government of China refusing to allow the Yuen to rise so that they can grow their economy at the expense of their citizen's living standards.

 You are right about the damage to their living standards. You are wrong about their economy growing faster because a fraction of their workforce and resources are distracted on production of goods for US for which they get dollars that must not be spent.

 If they did not have that part of the export industries, the resources and labor would drop in price, making it even more profitable to expand production, so their growth rate would have been higher.

 miko

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« Reply #76 on: October 13, 2003, 01:36:28 PM »
I have been busy with the crazy cattle and soybean markets (cattle have been higher for 11 days in a row) have you looked at the European bond markets - what have they been doing?

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Russain Oil is tradeable in Euro
« Reply #77 on: October 13, 2003, 02:26:19 PM »
question to you Miko2d

I have some savings in dollars. I'm thinking about converting them to euro ( i have accounts in europe ) simply because expected drop in value of dollar vs euro.

Questions:

1. With current raise and markets and slow gain in dollar vs euro value - what is your estimate of the best time to make the change ? I'd like to allow it to grow a tad before converting.

2. When do you think the drop in exchange rate will occur ? I guess we're both reading economist a lot based on some statemetns you made so we're talking about the same thing. I'm estimating mid next year. What's your opinon ?

3. How will the drop of dollar affect euro ? Already some voices in europe suggesting that it's overvalued and suggetsion to lower it via dollar. That ties into point 1. Do you think that overall drop in value of all currencies will affect dollar vs euro exchange negatively ?

Just wondering...

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Re: miko - bond markets
« Reply #78 on: October 13, 2003, 03:30:08 PM »
ygsmilo: I have been busy with the crazy cattle and soybean markets (cattle have been higher for 11 days in a row) have you looked at the European bond markets - what have they been doing?

 I am sorry, ygsmilo. There is nothing I can advise you short term. The economic theory I subscribe to firmly states that no process involving human action can have constant numerical properties or be a subject to quantitative prediction. You can easily use simple math (well, relatively simple) to find the current trend which will work while the prevailing human preferences persist, but by definition you will not be able to predict by looking at the trend whether, let alone when those preferences will change.
 The theory will at least predict how they will change but not exact scenarios or dates/magnitudes.
 Which theory can ever predict when the fed lowers the rates one time too many?

What is "Austrian Economics"?

 Dollar must fall or default or the US economy must if it follows the trends and the causal mechanisms are all working to worsen the trends, not reverse them. But when it will happen and how exactly? Who knows. Austrian Carl Menger, the originator of the Austrian School of Economics predicted great conflict and devastation of WWI and preserved his wealth (in gold and scandinavian bonds) when all austrians lost their shirts in 1920s - he died in 1924. But he made his prediction in 1880 and allegedely it was the pessimism and feeling of inevitable disaster that caused him not to produce any great works after his 1971 "Principles of Economics".

 Mises described the details of the downfall of Soviet Socialism in 1920 - when everyone believed they were the superior system. He was correct - for 70 years. He was a pessimist but kept producing one great work after another - 5 total of classical status and a whole slew of minor works. He said in 1960s that his hedge against incoming great inflation was his advanced age - he died in 1973 aged 92.
 Only austrian economists were saying the gold was indervalued and will jump in price while everybody else expected it to drop to $7/ounce when Nixon unpegged it at $35.

 Long term - it's better to be in marketable commodities (gold?, land, alcohol, cigarettes, fishing hooks, ammunition) and currencies backed by real stuff. Also, remember that in times of crises the governments often confiscated people's holdings of marketable commodities/securites - like US confiscation of gold in 1932, Russian and South Amarian confiscation of dollar accounts, etc.

 Dollar can jump up 25% tomorrow bacause chinese may as well devalue as appreciate their currency and europeans as well. In the long term the US elderly will have to reire and in 2013 the SSA trust will be empty and money have to come from somewhere.


fd ski question to you Miko2d
 I have some savings in dollars. I'm thinking about converting them to euro ( i have accounts in europe ) simply because expected drop in value of dollar vs euro.


 You can open a foreign currency account (FDIC insured) in an american bank. Check the Everbank World Markets - a division of the First Alliance Bank. Forbes wrote highly about them. They charge 0.5-0.7% for currency conversion, no other fees. You even get interest of the country on the deposits above certain sum. Aussies and Kwis pay around 4% and S. Africans >8% compared to our <1%. You can also invest into a composite "index" of currencies and even Chinese currency, if you want to bet they will unpeg from the dollar as Bush demands. Especially since in this rare case Bush inadvertenly is in greement with common sense... :)

 Of course if SHTF, the US government may get to those money easier than to your european accounts. How would I open one, btw? What bank would you recommend? What are the tax implications.


When do you think the drop in exchange rate will occur?

 As I said before to ygsmilo, the theory I use states that such kind of predictions cannot possibly be made. So the answer is anytime. I do not believe the dollar will survive the real hard-limit crunch of mid  of the next decade but its downfall can be triggered by some event any moment even before that.
 I am not trying to get rich here - I believe wealth makes it ahrd to raise good children. I just intend them to survive the downfall like my ancestors survived 1917-1920s in Russia when everythingw as sold by a million and lot of people died of hunger.

3. How will the drop of dollar affect euro?

 They will try to match our devaluation printing money for a while but when the strain on their economy becomes unbearable (the peg-induced expansion is putting quite a strain on the Chinese economy already) they will cut the ropes and let us drown. Hopefully they will do it quickly enough to avaid a major collapce of their economies and will be able to send us shipments of food...

 US was trying to match the british pound devaluation in late 1920s and that greatly contributed to the great depression. At the same time the collapse of german curency in early 1920s did not cause great problems elsewhere.

 miko