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Offline Fuzzy

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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2003, 01:49:41 PM »
I take exception to the statement about smoking POT.

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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2003, 02:53:27 PM »
Geezus all this talk about military pay:)
All i got  when I was in was 467.00 a mouth and that was with jump pay LOL:aok

Look Diablo has a good point .
You really should have all you ducks in a row before you get called up.

But I dod think that there is something really wrong when inlisted mens wifes are having to rely on food stamps:mad:

Mean while we are pumping billions into the Iqagi government.

And you really should never join the military if you entertaine the thought of never having to go to war.

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« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2003, 02:56:25 PM »
>>But your hatred of Bush is apparent

I didn't start hating Bush... in fact, I didn't really care one way or another if he or Al Gore became president.

My hatred began when Bush started lying and trampling on the bill of rights and the US Constitution.

He uses the Secret Service to restrict freedom of speach of Antt-Bush, Anti-War protestors.

http://quest.morris.com/stories/011701/gen_0117017765.shtml
http://www.aclu.org/FreeSpeech/FreeSpeechlist.cfm?c=86

He's authorized the detaining of US citizens with out due process, with out the right to see a lawyer, without the right to see their families, with out the right to see the evidence against them so that they can proove their innocense.

http://63.147.65.31/socal/terrorist/0202/20/terror06.asp

He has lied to the American public and to the congress concerning military intelligence.

This is NO joke. The Bush Administration is NOT winning in the courts. He's loosing case after case.

The Republican Congress is just as duplicitous in this rape of the US Constitution, because they are either doing nothing about it... or they aiding.

I understand Patrism, defending our National Security, protecting our way of life....

We had good intentions during WWII when we detained Japanese American, We had good intentions during the McCarthy witch hurt too.

The aftermath of 9/11 has shown America hasn't learned it's lesson. It's still reactionary and what makes it worse is when there are leaders willing to lie in order to get their way.

Ends does not Justify the means. We can't arbitarily apply the constitution and the bill of rights based upon who we "feel" or "think" may deserve it's protection.

It must apply to all - with out exception.

Bush and his henchmen swore an oath to uphold the Constitution... and they have done more to destory it and the America way then any Terrorist could have ever hoped to do with their Bombs.

Bush has taken away the integrity and the honor of the Presidency and has done much to destroy America's reputation for fighting for Democracy, Human Rights, and fairness in the world.

The UN held a democratic vote about what to do with Iraq... Bush was impatient to go to war. It didn't matter what Blix found... Bush had predetermined America would go to war with Iraq....
The reasons he gave for justifying this act of SELF DEFENSE have proven to be fabricated lies.

And yet... the Republican mantra and the conservative movement can't see beyond their own propaganda and heated hate for any one who expresses opposition to their point of view.

There is something desparately wrong going on here... in our country... there is no debate... there is a blindness to the self evident facts... the justification for this war were fabricated.

It's hard to believe... and now it's time for reprogramming... new reasons... oh yes! Saddam was evil.. that's why we attacked.
Ok we can digest that... because America is never wrong... we are the righteous.... the rest of the world is wrong.

That's the reinvention of recent history. That's the teflon memory of Americans - nothing sticks.

It's easy to ignore when the majority of us aren't affected by the abuses that are suffered by so few.... yet still there are thousands of Americans that have been illegally detained, questioned, harrased, beaten and denied their constitutional right of due process.

We are our own enemy.. we have become what we so much hate in other countries.

And any one who says other wise is a terrorist loving liberal.

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« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2003, 05:37:12 PM »
Did everyone forget the fact that we are having to rely so much on our reserve forces and keeping them for long periods is because the previous president spent eight years gutting the active military?

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« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2003, 05:46:37 PM »
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Did everyone forget the fact that we are having to rely so much on our reserve forces and keeping them for long periods is because the previous president spent eight years gutting the active military?


Good point.

Maybe if we are going to go to war alot we need the DRAFT:aok

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« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2003, 05:56:51 PM »
Actually, that is not correct.  Our force structure changed before Clinton.  Do a little research on why we rely on our reserves as much as we do.

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« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2003, 05:57:10 PM »
I am with Diablo on this one.

If someone joins the Reserves, he/she is accepting the reality that he/she may very well be deployed in time of war or military need.  

Someone who joins the reserves and realizes that they might be deployed has to understand they will no longer draw their civilian pay and will have to support their family on the military pay.  

If someone does not want to accept the possiblity of deployment, DO NOT ENLIST IN THE RESERVES.  Its that simple.  I have yet to hear of anyone being forced at gunpoint to join the Reserves.  Nor have I heard anyone claiming they were promised a huge salary if deployed, rather I believe the pay issue is quite clear.  

During the first "Gulf War", a whole lot of reservists whined about being deployed.  It amazed me, the stupid things they said: "I joined the military to get my education paid for, not to have to go to war", "I can't be deployed, I have kids to take care of".  

Any of those fools/morons who made such statements and refused to deploy should have been imprisoned for 10 years.  (barring true and unexpected hardship cases)

It seems so simple really:

Join the Military Reserves expect the following:
1) You may be deployed in time of war to hostile situations away from your home and family for extended periods
2) During extended deployments, you will only be paid standard military pay appropriate to your rank

If you can't willingly and completely accept these two facts, THEN DON'T ENLIST!

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« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2003, 08:48:13 PM »
ignored.
Move along, nothing to see here.
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« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2003, 09:18:20 PM »
DmdNexus: Really is this a burndon our service members should endure?

 What did their contract say? If it said that's a burden they agree to endure, then yes, I believe they should.

by authorizing the government to pay the difference between the military pay check and the civil pay check..

 So one grunt should risk his life for 1/10 the salary the guy next to him? Isn't that great for morale or what? How about access to on-line stock trading while in combat? The guy would have been making a killing in stock market if not that pesky war. What about a travelling bordello? After all the reservist is denied the female company he could have had. French chef? Swedish masseuse? Wine cellar? If uncle Sam is making up the difference, why stop on money?

 miko

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« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2003, 10:02:19 AM »
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by authorizing the government to pay the difference between the military pay check and the civil pay check..

 


That's definitely among the most ignorant ideas I have ever read or heard.
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« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2003, 10:03:30 AM »
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What about a travelling bordello? After all the reservist is denied the female company he could have had.



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