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Offline Swoop

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« Reply #105 on: October 27, 2003, 09:39:32 AM »
P.S.


Lazs,


I'd actually really like to read an NRA mag.  What's yr email addy?


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« Reply #106 on: October 27, 2003, 10:47:05 AM »
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LOL apt reply.  and uh isnt that the addy of Bond fame? Crist cant remember off hand----I keep thinking of Thatcher for some reason...
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« Reply #107 on: October 27, 2003, 11:34:01 AM »
swoop... isn't my info correct on the BB?  I know you have emailed me in the past?

send me an email with your address and I will send you a couple of copies of "The American Rifleman"    Would be glad to.  But of course.... you could njoin the NRA and get 12 months of the mag for $35.... seiously... I doubt you will find any sensationalism or frothing at the mouth articles... the same cannot be said for the anti gun crowd tho..


Also... for any of you who wish to understand just what is going on with firearms inm the U.S. I would highly suggest getting the book "More guns less crime"  by john lott... Amazon.com should have it but it's one of the few books that is hard to get used copies of.
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« Reply #108 on: October 27, 2003, 11:43:09 AM »
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hmm...sci admits that when his country has immigration then it is a dangerous place... a place that needs bars on the windows... What is more fearful? putting yourself in jail or.... all the criminals knowing homeowners are armed and not breaking in in the first place? So long as everyone is equally poor you have no problem? so long as everyone looks the same and was born there you have no propblem? NO thanks.


Boy I knew the american school system was bad, but a grown man can't comprehend written text? Hmm..

Besides your logic fails. Desperate people prepare for a firefight if they know the residents may be armed. Therefore they'll be armed to the teeth which furthermore increases your chances to be shot in the progress. Greedy decisions in the society leaves some with nothing and a few with everything. The some with nothing will have to survive somehow and that somehow is mostly crime.

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in a socialist country there is no point in robbing someone who has no more than you do. You don't generaly have bigotry with people who look exactly like you and speak the same language.


Rofl lazs the comment above just shows how clueless you are.
Socialism is not communism. Besides none of the european union countries are socialist. The government consists of multiple parties both right and leftwing oh, and some are in between. The fact that our level of social security and taxation is higher doesn't make the countries socialist.

Why do you keep talking about something you don't have a clue on? If your knowledge is based on urban legends, it's nothing to brag about. Sorry.

Toad: I'll repeat. The discussion about weapons was with lazs, not with you. Your doings have no relevance in the discussion. The issue was that lazs believes unregistered guns are essential for any mans well being and safety. Say it aint so..
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« Reply #109 on: October 27, 2003, 11:49:35 AM »
still waiting on a reply Saif----------;)

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« Reply #110 on: October 27, 2003, 12:49:05 PM »
Oh sorry dorne I didn't expect an answer as you already made your stance.

I'm not a big French lover myself either. Still I find the switch in opinnions funny in a surreal way. Your own government was 100% responsible for breaking the ties created during Gulf1 alliance and you somehow make France the perp with a couple days of bad press.

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« Reply #111 on: October 27, 2003, 01:01:05 PM »
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Toad: I'll repeat. The discussion about weapons was with lazs, not with you.


Wow, for an awesomely educated mystery man from somewhere in Darkest Europe... it would appear that there's another

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grown man can't comprehend written text


in this thread.

I think, with just a tiny bit of effort, you'll be able to realize to whom my replies were addressed. (Hint, he answered me directly in this very thread.)

Now, please excuse me, I have to go develop my new shade personality for posting.
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« Reply #112 on: October 27, 2003, 01:29:25 PM »
Well excuse the dumb me but I somehow thought your comment about 'owning a gun because you're scared' was directly pointed to me and my similar comment regardless to whom you addressed your core lines to.

If you have no beef about your guns being registered, or argue about the necessity of handguns for self defence in the every day life in the U.S. why are you in the discussion to start with? :confused:

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« Reply #113 on: October 27, 2003, 01:31:56 PM »
Go away mystery country person.

You are a debate coward.

Tell us more of your great land.

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« Reply #114 on: October 27, 2003, 01:34:33 PM »
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Oh sorry dorne I didn't expect an answer as you already made your stance.

I'm not a big French lover myself either. Still I find the switch in opinnions funny in a surreal way. Your own government was 100% responsible for breaking the ties created during Gulf1 alliance and you somehow make France the perp with a couple days of bad press.


?--did you miss a post? or didnt you realise the french one was a joke?

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« Reply #115 on: October 27, 2003, 01:35:21 PM »
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AKsW: Well I kinda agree that in a ghetto you need a cannon, a bulletproof vest and a tank for a vehicle.

However I'd never choose to live in one. Why would you?


Sometimes you just don't have a choice.

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I mean there must be alternatives other than responding to the threat of violence with more violence. That's anarchy, not a functional society.


There are no other alternatives to stopping that bad motherf**ker from coming through your window armed with his illegaly obtained and non-registered hand cannon.

There are three outcomes to that situation:
1) He dies.

2) You die.

3) You let your possessions get stolen, and your family killed/raped while you cower in a corner with a sharp instrument phoning the unarmed bobbies. After four or five bobbies charge him with their batons and get struck down by the massive slugs flying from the illegal and non-registered hand cannon, they finally subdue him. He's taken several people's lives, and chances are he will simply go to prison to live out the rest of his days on the people's money.

One less armed and dangerous hardened criminal on the streets vs the other two options, I'll take option #1 any day of the week.
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« Reply #116 on: October 27, 2003, 01:45:36 PM »
Heh AksW:

First of all, it's the land of the free. Nobody's obliged to live in a ghetto. According to the conservatives you're too dumb to live anyway if you're stuck there and you deserve what's coming to you. That's not my opinnion but theirs (as witnessed in several past posts.)

Second, Dowding just made the point that zero (0) bobbies were killed in duty past years regardless of the fact they don't carry weapons in bobbyland. So that kinda makes your scenario highly academic doesn't it?

I'm more likely to win in the lottery than face the situation you described to me. I don't live in a ghetto. Neither should you.

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« Reply #117 on: October 27, 2003, 01:47:00 PM »
But AKS, how do you know you're going to get your first choice - #1? How can you know that you won't get #2? When I was out with Lazs last week, we had two gun problems. One might have been my fault - a round chambered incorrectly in the .45 semi auto. The other problem occurred with the .44 magnum. When trying to fire it using the double action method (hammer not cocked) the gun simply failed to go off. We had to pull the hammer back first on every round after that. Could happen to anyone, especially if you've been stirred out of your sleep by a burglar coming through your window. In that case you would get #2, not #1. Like you said, "Sometimes you just don't have a choice."

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« Reply #118 on: October 27, 2003, 01:48:43 PM »
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was directly pointed to me


I guess you're just tho thenthative it bothered you. Or so self-centered you think every post is directed at you. Personally, I pretty much disregard your "position posts" for previously mentioned reasons.

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...guns being registered, or argue... necessity of handguns... in the discussion to start with? :confused: [/B]


I'm discussing a few things with people that I enjoy engaging in  discussion.

Handgun registration wouldn't stop handgun crime here in the US and it wouldn't stop it anywhere in the world. I seriously doubt if it would even significantly reduce it. Evidence? Places that have BANNED and CONFISCATED handguns still have handgun crime and in many cases the rates of handgun crime are rising despite the bans/confiscations.


See, it's like this... Cain killed Able with a rock. Note that the rock did not kill Able.  Cain did.
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« Reply #119 on: October 27, 2003, 01:50:22 PM »
Several hundreds, if not thousands, of US police officers have fallen to unregistered illegal fire arms.

Maybe the British criminals are less ruthless, but the ones in the US don't have anything to lose and know it.

I don't live in a ghetto anymore, but I did, land of the free grants you the ability to work your way out of a given scenario - it doesn't entitle you to anything.

I'm more likely to win in the lottery than face the situation you described to me. I don't live in a ghetto. Neither should you.

Yes, and if you live in Africa you are more likely to get AIDs than win the lottery. Its not exactly the same everywhere in the world, but I'm sure your paradise country is quite amazing. Someday I may like to visit it, if I can find it on the map of the Things that never were.
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