Author Topic: Gun Ownership Saves Lives! (Read 2521 times)

YUCCA · « **Reply #30 on:** October 23, 2003, 12:23:37 PM »

If guns are responsible for crimes, then pencils are responsible for spelling mistakes.

always liked that line hehe

lazs2 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 23, 2003, 12:39:14 PM »

scia... since I don't know where you live I am at a slight dissadvantage... only slight tho. I don't know where you live but I will say that our white middle class gun crime is about the same as yours so.... if you don't have a problem with guns then neither do we. So... if comparable populations have the same amount of problems with guns and one has free access to guns and the other doesn't then it would follow that guns availability make no difference in gun crimes.

curval... so.... you are under the socialist umbrella but don't have to live under the rules. I would venture to say that you don't pay british tax rates. You are in effect... fantasy island. even the brits realize that there has to be someplace to hide from the bad effects of socialism... just curious tho.... what about America are you being protected against and just how do you think england can protect you agaist us if we wanted to do you harm?

trotsky. What I am on about...Your top earner4s are being punished... They flee to America to escape your taxes when they can, not the reverse.... your lower productive people are coddled and riding on the backs of the productive... they are even less productive as a result. Your women took your guns away from you. That and the womenly men in your cities.

I have never figured out how taking rights away from people makes em more free or even secure.
lazs

Curval · « **Reply #32 on:** October 23, 2003, 01:00:40 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
curval... so.... you are under the socialist umbrella but don't have to live under the rules. I would venture to say that you don't pay british tax rates. You are in effect... fantasy island. even the brits realize that there has to be someplace to hide from the bad effects of socialism... just curious tho.... what about America are you being protected against and just how do you think england can protect you agaist us if we wanted to do you harm?

I guess the fantasy island comment IS a fair one...you are right, we pay no British taxes. We are far less socialist than England though...no unemployemnt insurance, no national public health plan, etc etc. We are like Fantasy Capitalist Land.

As to your question regarding protection....

You see, your politicians would love to shut down our island as they are absolutely convinced we do nothing but sit offshore hiding taxes and laundering money. I'm sure it does happen, but the trillions that are laudered in London, New York, Tokyo etc make our island nothing more than an "easy target". Easy that is until Great Britain steps in and says" Hang on there matey...those are our chaps down there...leave them alone."

Also, we need protection from your lawyers.

Invariably some fat drunk American tourist will stub their toe and demand millions in compensation from the local who owns the land upon which his/her toe was stubbed.

But...we are not subject to your laws and we won't even let a high priced ambulence chaser practice his/her "art" here...you must have local representation...and the highest court of appeal under our law is the Privy Council in England.

As to physical protection...well...we really don't need it....not yet anyway.

lazs2 · « **Reply #33 on:** October 23, 2003, 01:10:51 PM »

curval.. we pretty much agree then.. I have no interest in changing anything about your island... I probly wouldn't live there since I am not an island person. Things there I could do that I enjoy and things I enjoy that I couldn't do.

I would also agree that you should avoid any dealings with American lawyers or politicians. We have an abundance of both. Our founders relized that a free society would have. They put the 2nd in there to tone em down.
lazs

Gixer · « **Reply #34 on:** October 23, 2003, 04:52:27 PM »

My fantasy Island is just great, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Guns have never really been readily available in NZ (especially handguns) and I've yet to hear anyone complain because their right to own a gun has been taken away.

Or that they feel unsafe personally and the need to be armed because the odd crimnal uses a shotgun in a bank robbery.

When I was a teenager I use to enjoy guns and go shooting/hunting all the time. Though I soon grew out of that stage when I was in my early 20's.

So it's interesting to me and I'm sure others, that some still find gun owndership as a way to save lives. Or most interesting of all, that shooting a gun is some sort of macho extension of their noodle.

...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~

Fishu · « **Reply #35 on:** October 23, 2003, 08:35:23 PM »

"meet you on the streets"

-tronski- · « **Reply #36 on:** October 23, 2003, 09:13:21 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

trotsky. What I am on about...Your top earner4s are being punished... They flee to America to escape your taxes when they can, not the reverse.... your lower productive people are coddled and riding on the backs of the productive... they are even less productive as a result. Your women took your guns away from you. That and the womenly men in your cities.

riiiighhttt.....our top earners flee to america...uh-huh...our lower productive people are coddled...uh-huh

well I can pretty much some up your knowledge of our society in a few easy words...bugger all

As for all the women taking our guns, where I work one of the requirements is to have a firearms license and to carry shotguns in our vehicles....hrmmm wonder why my wife hasn't tried to take them all away!?!?!!!

Either that or maybe we've just realised as a society that guns aren't a right, but a privilege my 4 inch friend....

Tronsky

Toad · « **Reply #37 on:** October 23, 2003, 09:47:39 PM »

Win/Win.

They're happy they live where they do.

And we're happy they live there too.

Life is beautiful!

YUCCA · « **Reply #38 on:** October 23, 2003, 11:45:36 PM »

Why does that guy have a shotgun that has a scope on it that is to defend his home lol. Must be for those long distant shots in the hallways hehe.

lazs2 · « **Reply #39 on:** October 24, 2003, 08:34:26 AM »

yeah.. a scoped shotgun is a really handy thing huh? The anti gun guys never get anything right do they?

gixer.. odd... a country that has never had guns doesn't miss them being taken away? Most people that are blind from birth don't complain about the loss of sight.

trotski... I see... so guns are ok in some instances and for some reason you feel you need a shotgun in your job to protect you from... from what? Are you saying that you are one of the people that agreed with your women that you are not to be trusted with most firearms?

Toad is right... it's a great situation... you guys like to live in a place of limited freedom and we like you living there. Heck... I even like the fact that you have internet access so that I can read your reasons why I should give up my freedoms. Like listening to one of our liberal women politicians. Most of you would make a good woman liberal politician... Have you considered the operation? the real cause of violence is after all... testosterone.
lazs

-tronski- · « **Reply #40 on:** October 24, 2003, 08:46:48 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

trotski... I see... so guns are ok in some instances and for some reason you feel you need a shotgun in your job to protect you from... from what?

Birds...

We use them for bird control....we use bird fright mostly, and as a last resort live shells

LOL we don't need them for protection, although they can peck you ya know

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Are you saying that you are one of the people that agreed with your women that you are not to be trusted with most firearms?

I do completely agree with our firearm laws...and it wasn't women who bought them in, it was infact the Liberal govt.

Tronsky

lazs2 · « **Reply #41 on:** October 24, 2003, 08:54:28 AM »

"As for all the women taking our guns, where I work one of the requirements is to have a firearms license and to carry shotguns in our vehicles....hrmmm wonder why my wife hasn't tried to take them all away!?!?!!! "

hmm... you make it sound like you have rights and then you explain that no.... the guns are ornamental and that they only reason you have the shotgun is because your outfit is too cheap to suppy you with some other kind of noisemaker.
Wow..... you may even get to fire a live round once in a while! do you have to get permission from your women and fill out forms first?

so... how did yu vote? did you agree with the women that you would be safe from insane people if you turned in your guns? Did you turn in any guns to be destroyed by your government?

good thing you all regestered your guns so that the govenment had no trouble rounding em all up eh?
lazs

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #42 on:** October 24, 2003, 09:48:04 AM »

Lazs did you even stop to ponder why I'm not even a slightest bit worried about my home safety, but you are? Why don't I need a weapon if we have a comparable crime rate? Use some logic.

I could walk today to the police station, get a permit and buy a magnum 44 - because I have a clean record. But as I have no time to shoot as a hobby, why the heck should I?

And.. your comment about top-earners fleeing to america shows your little knowledge. There's a place called Monaco in europe where you pay no income tax whatsoever. That's where the top earners move to, not US.

Your panic filled comments about gun control spell only one thing to me: fear.

lazs2 · « **Reply #43 on:** October 24, 2003, 09:59:22 AM »

siaf.. I have no idea where you live but I still stick by my statement that we have just as little white middle class gun crime as you do.

If I lived in england I would indeed be worried about people breaking into my home while I was home... I don't worry about that because of firearms ownership in America. If you had the guts to say where you lived I could perhaps point out why you were being foolish to not want to protect yourself or think that you are better off that your neighbor doesn't have a gun. I doubt that no one gets robbed beaten or becomes the victim of a violent crime in your country.

I don't "worry" about it.... I like guns anyway so being able to protect myself with one is a bonus. There are certainly times when I do worry tho... some places in the States that it is prudent to be armed.

As for monaco... so... you admit that socialism drives people away then? The pruductive ones in any case?
lazs

Curval · « **Reply #44 on:** October 24, 2003, 10:15:14 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
As for monaco... so... you admit that socialism drives people away then? The pruductive ones in any case?
lazs

It is taxes, not socialism that drives people away.

Ross Perot, Michael Bloomberg and many other Americans live here, for example. Many more have trust arrangements to preserve their family's wealth in Bermuda and Monaco.

Why do they do this?