Author Topic: Hiroshma Vault (Read 1583 times)

Sundiver · « **on:** October 23, 2003, 12:13:50 PM »

I was just watching a History channel program about security systems. It seems that when we bombed Hiroshma a bank vault that was 900 feet from ground zero survived while everything else around it was vaporized.

That just strikes me as odd...I mean yeah vaults are designed tough but surviving ground zero?

YUCCA · « **Reply #1 on:** October 23, 2003, 12:20:28 PM »

That money is just about safe enough to use now i bet

Fishu · « **Reply #2 on:** October 23, 2003, 01:04:32 PM »

Don't forget they didnt use to build concrete buildings back then in japan.
In any case, some cheap concrete and bricks are far weaker than a reinforced vault.

It's also quite small so it doesnt get in the way too much to be blown away.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #3 on:** October 23, 2003, 01:08:34 PM »

most vaults are below ground anyway. it probably vaporise the bank off the top of it.

Eagler · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2003, 01:08:53 PM »

did you know doolittle's raid over Tokyo cause more death than both a-bombs together?

DmdNexus · « **Reply #5 on:** October 23, 2003, 01:21:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
did you know doolittle's raid over Tokyo cause more death than both a-bombs together?

Eh? Oh I need to hear this!

I always thought the Atomic bomb had killed between 80 and 100 thousand people.... and Doolittle's raid was more a PR and had not caused any significant damage.

http://www.boisestate.edu/history/ncasner/hy210/hirosima.htm
http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/usgenocide/HiroshimaNagasaki.html

The History Dudes must be smoking crack...that watermelon will freak you up!

Pass the bong, man, I need another hit!

miko2d · « **Reply #6 on:** October 23, 2003, 01:28:11 PM »

Sundiver: that was 900 feet from ground zero survived while everything else around it was vaporized.
That just strikes me as odd...I mean yeah vaults are designed tough but surviving ground zero?

For you information, ground zero is the point on the ground above which the bomb detonated - at the altitude of about 2000 feet.

Eagler: did you know doolittle's raid over Tokyo cause more death than both a-bombs together?

Japanese executing tens (hundreds) of thousands chinese for the assistance offered to the US crews. Right?

miko

muckmaw · « **Reply #7 on:** October 23, 2003, 01:45:21 PM »

Eagler-

Are you sure you don't mean the fire bombing of Tokyo?

That's gotta be a mistake. Doolitte raid did not result in any large scale casualties.

Sixpence · « **Reply #8 on:** October 23, 2003, 01:47:15 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
Japanese executing tens (hundreds) of thousands chinese for the assistance offered to the US crews. Right?

miko

You sure those were not the ones used for biological experiments? They were going to eliminate chinese, raid or no raid. To the japanese, the chinese were inferior, and deserved death. Although, it can be said that the raid threw fuel on the fire.

They have a museum in Japan that a buddy of mine in the marines went to. He said there was a piece of granite from a bridge. He said the heat from the blast bubbled the quartz in the granite. Now that's hot. He also said they didn't allow pictures to be taken.

miko2d · « **Reply #9 on:** October 23, 2003, 02:06:25 PM »

Sixpence: You sure those were not the ones used for biological experiments?

Pretty sure. I have Doolittle's book and also read a few other accounts of the consequenses of that sensless gesture (Doolittle raid) that completely showed the contempt in which US government held its own people, let alone chinese.

miko

Sixpence · « **Reply #10 on:** October 23, 2003, 02:17:15 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
Sixpence: You sure those were not the ones used for biological experiments?

Pretty sure. I have Doolittle's book and also read a few other accounts of the consequenses of that sensless gesture (Doolittle raid) that completely showed the contempt in which US government held its own people, let alone chinese.

miko

The japanese would dump chemical weapons on towns. Then go in and dissect them while they lay dead.( and then leave them there to rot) I don't think it had anything to do with the doolittle raid.

miko2d · « **Reply #11 on:** October 23, 2003, 02:22:54 PM »

Sixpence: The japanese would dump chemical weapons on towns. Then go in and dissect them while they lay dead.( and then leave them there to rot) I don't think it had anything to do with the doolittle raid.

We are talking about different atrocities.

miko

Eagler · « **Reply #12 on:** October 23, 2003, 02:30:01 PM »

miko is correct .. again

the japs slaughtered/tortured over 200,000 chinese after we peeved them off with the raid. It played with their heads for the entire war but the Chinese paid for it

Half way through Flyboys goes into incredible detail of US/Japan military history leading up to the story of the Chichi Jima bombings

Sixpence · « **Reply #13 on:** October 23, 2003, 02:32:48 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
Sixpence: The japanese would dump chemical weapons on towns. Then go in and dissect them while they lay dead.( and then leave them there to rot) I don't think it had anything to do with the doolittle raid.

We are talking about different atrocities.

miko

Right, but what i'm saying is the doolittle raid would have little difference in the number of chinese killed. If the Americans were not allies with china, the Japanese would still have not spared them. The Japanese had a habit of not taking prisoners. If they were not killed in retribution of the raid, they would have been killed anyway. If they didn't have to spend resources on fighting the U.S., they probably would have eliminated alot more chinese.

Scootter · « **Reply #14 on:** October 23, 2003, 02:35:05 PM »

I think he means the Tokyo fire raids, I read that these raids (added together) killed more then the two A-bombs did.

I don't know if long term deaths were counted or not.