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Offline SOB

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« Reply #105 on: October 30, 2003, 10:25:00 AM »
Man Fullback, you are a sarcastic bastard.  I think I'm beginning to like you.
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« Reply #106 on: October 30, 2003, 10:25:15 AM »
Quick, someone find out why Fullbacks emails have not gone through before the mud starts flying again.  I've already showered once this morning.

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« Reply #107 on: October 30, 2003, 10:29:08 AM »
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Skuzzy...I didn't delve very deeply into the link, but it looked like it was just their squad page.


Oh.  My apologies Raptor.  Pulled the trigger to quickly.  Thanks for pointing that out SOB.
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« Reply #108 on: October 30, 2003, 10:33:37 AM »
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I disagree- Fullback never asked for an explination, he used the Boards as a soapbox for an unfounded rant against HTC because the company did exactly what he requested them to do. If he wanted an explination there's procedures (like e-mail) in place for that, and HTC is known for answering e-mails promptly.


"Now, you're probably thinking, "Send another email and they'll open your account until the end of the month." I did that and received no reply. "

Again, I do not see why an answer filled with sarcasm is in need. Just explain that their policy is to cancel an account and not give a refund or give you what you have paid for. So you need to keep track of billing and cancel the day before, or you will be charged again and keep track for another month.
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« Reply #109 on: October 30, 2003, 10:37:01 AM »
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Thanks for pointing that out SOB.


You're welcome.

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« Reply #110 on: October 30, 2003, 10:39:00 AM »
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You're welcome.

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Ok Horn, you actually beat him to it.  I just happen to catch that going backwards through the thread.  Thank you as well.
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« Reply #111 on: October 30, 2003, 10:55:22 AM »
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This will be my last post, hitech - I promise.

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- I clearly stated in the original post that nonreplies to email contributed to the poor impression. I apologize for creating so much confusion on this BBS by wrongly assuming that a turnip could understand the post. I now understand that all BBS posts should be written at a level appropriate for minerals, not vegetables. I'm sorry, my fault.....



- You sarcastically ridiculed me and now say that this was an 'explanation' for why accounts are deleted immediately. As well you should have. As a matter of fact, please do it again soon, and often.



- You said that my 'behavior was not acceptable.' I apologize for not meeting your standards of acceptable behavior.



And thank you for relentlessly sharing the breathtaking stories of your exhaulted CEO-ship and your extraordinary 10 years of experience (how ever did you do it, sir?)....

So here is the final tally:
According to vast majority of minerals, HTC doesn't even need to think about improving anything - it's already nirvana, and I am but a whining, ungrateful, inappropriately behaving jerk.
You're the winner. Congratulations.
You have been awarded perk points.



1st...pardon me for editing alot of the non relevent portions of your post....

1) You decided to post this issue on the BBS (and it HAS NOT been removed locked or otherwise interfered with)...you then attack those that happen to disagree with your perspective...I suggest a good long look in the mirror before throwing more rocks at your glass house.

2) Yes HT was sarcastic...he almost always is :)...however what he said is pretty simple...we did EXACTLY what he said he'd do if you ever decide to cancel...most of us who have posted HAVE had some issue/interface with the folks at Aces High...personally they've always done their best to meet me at least half way.

3) I'm not certain that HT said that your behavior was unacceptable (qoute out of context) as much as he said your goal was not to reolve a customer issue as much as to publically bash the company itself (on it's own forum)...personally I do agree with HT's comments in that regard.

4)This reponse had NOTHING to do with your post...it was directed at a seperate post within this thread...and was factually correct...exactly how many companies have you built. I'm on company #4 and I have an awful lot of respect for Dales accomplishments.

5) In close, in the above mentioned "CEO" post HT does begin to address the ongoing issues confronting him and tries to put this minor issue within the proper perspective...again I find your need to attack those to whom you originally pleaded your case to significantly errode your claim to the moral high ground.

In closing....

I certainly understand your resentment for having your account closed while you had "time on the clock". I recognize (and actually agree) with posting that thought on the BBS as an "FYI"...however your original post was a public attack and served no useful purpose. As someone who has travelled the world more than once I do have some (limited) understanding of cultural differences...obviously you feel that the initial correctness of your position allows a broader attack on an entity that "did you wrong". As you've found out in our culture that type of broadbased attack simply earns you a trip out to the woodshed.

This mineral...or am I a vegetable...wishes you all the best personally...I simply find your initial argument to be technically incorrect and your ongoing commentary to be no more "correct" than dales...although do spell better:)

hmmm....who debugs dales code...that must be one hell of ajob:):)
« Last Edit: October 30, 2003, 10:57:53 AM by humble »

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« Reply #112 on: October 30, 2003, 11:06:03 AM »
Bottom line fullback ...

You should have taken any and all issues that you have/had with HTC privately. Once you posted your concern(s) on this BBS and made it public, is where it went into the chitter.

You posted publically hoping for public support and you got some, but you also got the opposite ... maybe this is what you were hoping for all along.
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« Reply #113 on: October 30, 2003, 11:11:21 AM »
Damnit. Too much channel flipping in here.....

Does anyone know if MIA got "lucky"  ???

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« Reply #114 on: October 30, 2003, 11:47:07 AM »
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I appologize for prompltly deleteing your account per your email request. I also apologize for sending you a confermation that your account was deleted. I also apologize for not sending you the TOS aggrement before deleteing your account to make sure you knew that once deleted accounts are completed for the month.

I also apologize for not presonaly calling you to make sure you truly wished to delete your account, or if you were just having a bad day.

Once again realy sorry for deleteing your account, if in any way we can take longer in deleting your next account please let us know how, we would love to serve you better.

HiTech
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Why Hitech, that was very nice of you to personally reply!

You sweet talker you!!! LOL!

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« Reply #115 on: October 30, 2003, 12:08:31 PM »
Most of you, if not all of you, know I periodically have been editing posts to remove personal attacks.  That practice will no longer be used.

So, as of this moment, I will just post in a thread when a personal attack occurs giving the original poster notice and time to edit and change the post themselves.

This is just letting you know.
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« Reply #116 on: October 30, 2003, 12:09:29 PM »
Fullback: The mistake was this.

 I considered the lack of reply to the email, together with the curt, orginal reply from you, to be less than polite and not presenting a very good image for your company

"and posted it here."     This is the issue.

 Boy, that was really stupid. I don't know what came over me.



As to the CEO stuff that was directed at Golfer only do to HIS attitude.
 
And Fullback I do appoligize for upsetting you. You sound like a very polite person to me.  " And since you can't since the tone of this, I am beeing sincer"


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« Reply #117 on: October 30, 2003, 12:17:14 PM »
Something the players may not be aware of that should be considered here, when you deal with HiTech you are dealing with a person not unlike the average player in AH. Most companies have policies that include some standard response in cases like this. HTC may have this, but likely as not when HiTech personally responds he may do so spontaniously, and if he is busy at the time, curtly. Just a guess on my part, but I've seen it done in large businesses, so it's not unlikely HiTech would.

A followup email was sent, but not received. Most likely it was mistaken for the standard whines that certainly must cascade through the HTC mailbox. Few of us would argue that the volume of complaints HTC receives must be enormous... probably too many for a small compliment of employees to read, let alone respond to.

From personal experience (something HiTech must have learned by now), many times a player, especially a long term one, gets frustrated and quits out of emotion of the moment. When I have done so, I did it with substantial regret. After all, you are closing the door on something you have loved and has been a large part of your life for a long time. In such a case, players may hope in the back of their mind that HTC will say or do something to stop them, or at least express regret. It would be a fine policy for a large business to do this, but with the limited manpower probably won't happen at HTC... especially if HiTech fields the request when he's busy.

So a broken hearted player (an exxageration I know) brings it to the BB for solice. This time HiTech has some time on his hands and replies, further smushing the poor person's ego. It's an emotional product that HTC provides, so they should be prepared to deal with emotion.

It's about understanding folks... understanding of both HiTech and the customer. HTC can have standard policies and boiler plate responses, but we are privledged to interact with the guy at the top... the CEO that you normally only see when you are in major doodoo or when he is being hauled away for corporate fraud.

Being ready to give advice, and knowing that advising the customer is like jousting with clouds, I suggest to HiTech he not take things that are said here quite as seriously. Above all, do not conduct your business in the public eye. You claim the proper venue is email. So it is, but that should apply more to you than the customer. One you can control, the other not. To suggest your customers not use this BB to air their complaints is folly, like fighting the wind and the rain. Adopt a strict policy to deal directly with the customer and keep all such dealings private.

...or not, that's just me.

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« Reply #118 on: October 30, 2003, 12:21:49 PM »
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Being ready to give advice, and knowing that advising the customer is like jousting with clouds, I suggest to HiTech he not take things that are said here quite as seriously. Above all, do not conduct your business in the public eye. You claim the proper venue is email. So it is, but that should apply more to you than the customer. One you can control, the other not. To suggest your customers not use this BB to air their complaints is folly, like fighting the wind and the rain. Adopt a strict policy to deal directly with the customer and keep all such dealings private.


The best idea I've seen in this thread.

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« Reply #119 on: October 30, 2003, 12:40:28 PM »
Someone laughs
Others breathe angrily
A tear is shed
A tounge in cheek

It all boils over
We clean up
We make a mess
A kick to the groin
A pat on the back

We're divided
We do not care
We go
We go play

We forget