Author Topic: Ostwind (Read 643 times)

FUNKED1 · « **on:** October 26, 2003, 02:47:26 PM »

Did the nazis have VT fuses for the 37 mm gun?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #1 on:** October 26, 2003, 03:13:03 PM »

U mean proximity fuzes?

Pooh21 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 27, 2003, 05:11:27 AM »

of course they did. Its the ostwind they barely had.

Batz · « **Reply #3 on:** October 27, 2003, 06:23:59 AM »

people say the ostwind was "rare" like it means something.

The 37mm Flak 43 on the ostwind is nothing special. The germans had a 37mm flak gun through out the war. The 37mm Flak 18 was was replaced by the 37mm Flak 36. The Flak 36 was the "standard version". The 37mm Flak 43 appeared only in limited number in the second half of the war. However, the round did not change with the models.

Whats was more "rare" is the chasis not the gun. All sides during world 2 had similiar anti aircraft guns. They were mounted on on all sorts of vehicle types.

Ofcourse in rl these guns were nowhere near as effective or as concentrated like you see in ah.

pic below:

Ostwind - 3.7cm Flak auf Fahrgestell Panzer IV
Möbelwagen - 3,7cm Flak auf Fahrgestell Panzer IV
Wirbelwind - 2cm Flakvierling auf Fahrgestell Panzer IV

frank3 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 27, 2003, 07:17:54 AM »

Didn't the Mobelwagen had problems with aiming? I've heard it's own armor was in it's way

LLv34_Snefens · « **Reply #5 on:** October 27, 2003, 07:48:39 AM »

It could lower the superstructure sides to form a platform, both giving the crew room and the gun ability to traverse from -6 to 90 degree.

I guess the "problem" was if the Möbelwagen was suprised with the superstructure in a vertical position.

MiloMorai · « **Reply #6 on:** October 27, 2003, 08:42:45 AM »

production

Ostwind: 40 from mar. '44

Wirbelwind: 140 from Dec. '43

frank3 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 27, 2003, 08:43:59 AM »

Hmm, could be, I saw a documentary on Discovery on this one, displaying why Hitler didn't like it or something

Shiva · « **Reply #8 on:** October 27, 2003, 10:05:51 AM »

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Originally posted by LLv34_Snefens
It could lower the superstructure sides to form a platform, both giving the crew room and the gun ability to traverse from -6 to 90 degree.

I guess the "problem" was if the Möbelwagen was suprised with the superstructure in a vertical position.

The Möbelwagen had hanger bars on the superstructure panels that allowed them to lean the armor out at about a 15° angle to allow them to turn the gun while still having some protection against small-arms fire. But that took time to set up. Except for the total lack of armor protection (aside from the gun shield) the SdKfz 7/1 and 7/2 were better designs, since they could both be fired without preparation.

Batz · « **Reply #9 on:** October 27, 2003, 10:17:16 AM »

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production

Ostwind: 40 from mar. '44

Wirbelwind: 140 from Dec. '43

and that matters how?

The Wirbelwind would be even more deadly then the Ostwind in game. When folks whine about the Ostwind they are whining about the gun. It wouldnt matter if is on a pIV chasis or on the ground or on the back of a truck.

The Flak 37mm is still 37mm no matter what its mounted on.

In AH the ostie had hi-bred rounds. Each had at capability. Now the ostie is just HE.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:08:22 PM »

I haven't played enough lately to know if it's still true, but my main complaint with the Porkwind was not the gun, but the fact that it could fire its entire ammo load in one continuous burst without pauses for reloading, and that it didn't have to lower the armor to fire or reload, and that the armor seemed to inexplicably protect the crew from above. Even rifle caliber MGs should be able to neutralize the gun from above, but back in the day it was as tough as a Pz IV.

MiloMorai · « **Reply #11 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:39:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Batz
and that matters how?

Depends on how how many one sees in AH. They should be VERY un-common. With only averaging 8/month for the Wirblewind and 3/ month for the Ostwind spead around all scenarios.

Batz · « **Reply #12 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:58:17 PM »

The Germans had the 37mm mounted on different things. All the ost wind is a 37mm flak 43 on a pIV. In any game scenario you want to think of a 37mm whether it’s on a pII or flatbed truck its still 37mm.

Common bomb loadout for ami fighters in ah is overload. At the very least they carry 500lbs and rockets. They kill ostwinds with ease.

The only thing that could be questioned is what funked mention. I believe the flak 43 on the ostwind was fed with 12 round clips. That and maybe turret speed.

But subbing an ostwind for any mobile flak gun in an event offers no real advantage. All tanks out range them and they only carry HE. Even though it’s armored in AH you aren’t sending infantry to knock it out. So what it comes down to is a bunch of nothing.

If the okinawa event where they were subbed for the fixed Japanese 37mm at guns and in Niemen that had little to no effect on the outcome even if they were over represented.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 27, 2003, 03:07:18 PM »

So it's not so deadly against AFV's any more? When it first came out, I called it the Bradley for its ability to dominate Panzers at medium range.

Batz · « **Reply #14 on:** October 27, 2003, 03:26:37 PM »

It will still kill them but not like before. I cant remember the patch when it changed but it was in the read me. If you have patched up ah1 then you might scan those readmes and see for sure.